Clojurians Log v2

It's correct in my case. I had a couple cases where I aced all interviews (really did 10/10 (at least I think this way because there was either positive or no feedback)) and didn't get the contract. Incredibly frustrating.

I think there are companies that are basically benchmarking their interview processes on us. They realise that when somebody gets through everything then the interview format was not the right one... even if it was 4 coding interviews and take-home exercise that they didn't pay for.

makes sense

During this time I developed http://termsoverload.com, mini motorways game PoC that runs in python in the browser, react native app that I'm finishing (won't deploy to stores but I'll distribute on my own means) and maybe some other small projects. I guess I'll try to talk with somebody who's interested in starting a business. I don't care that much at this point.

maybe it's a lost case, and it will take a long long time to market get at the point as it was before 2022, so better to move on definitely. Clojure jobs won't be available soon, unless for high specialized experts.

I wanted to move on but currently I have 78 emails that mention the word "Unfortunately" in my inbox (EDIT: this year):

I took seancorfield's help in editing my CV a little more and he reviewed it a couple of times. But still no luck.

I've declined a couple Clojure offers this year. I'll know around xmas whether that was wise 😇 I've had an overall better applicant experience with Clojure shops than elsewhere. Clojure orgs recognise talent and it was common to interview directly with the CTO or founder. This goes in contrast with other shops where I'd get the standard http://reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/ experience Probably there's some degree of salary benchmarking going on - funding is scarce so they want the best bang for their buck. Possibly in preparation for Q1, when more actual hiring might happen. Overall, things seem warmer than earlier in the year.

> I've had an overall better applicant experience with Clojure shops than elsewhere. Clojure orgs recognise talent and it was common to interview directly with the CTO or founder. Very true. I agree with this. The "Unfortunately" emails are mostly from mainstream shops where they have everybody applying. > Overall, things seem warmer than earlier in the year. Yes. I agree with this as well. There were more actual human interactions recently. Maybe it's marginally different but I think it's a difference.

I have just started looking after being made redundant I was the last standing dev at the company, I am hoping to find a clojure role but think reality is I will end up doing something else which is a shame, but you never know still going to apply and see what happens but the clojure specific jobs are few and far between at the moment from what i have seen.

Do you think clojure has more excessive supply than other markets?

I imagine a hard one to answer, but this company posted recently about there experience https://www.reddit.com/r/Clojure/comments/17brs54/clojure_hiring_experience_from_a_saas_company/

I've had an overall better applicant experience with Clojure shops than elsewhere. Clojure orgs recognise talent and it was common to interview directly with the CTO or founder.@vemv this is the reason why I' do not give up.

@marciol interviewing the CTO or founder might have more to do with company size then clojure fwiw.

At our place, there are up to three interviews: HR (to assess communication/personality), IT (me + another engineer), C-level (which is typically where they get into salary discussions etc).

I think finding job may be hard also because for those few offers there is a ton of applicants. When I was applying for clojure job in the past, there was ~5 other candidates. Now when I was doing recruitment and also there was a post of other clojure company with similiar sentiment, that you get a lot of applications. When we set up the job post only here in slack, we've got double digit number of candidates and almost all of them were a material to hire. So in the end you need to make a decision somehow as you have limited number of positions available 😕

I was also looking for contractor roles this year and ended up being employed in a friends' startup. Which is fine but the salary is not comparable. It's a hard time for freelancers here in Germany atm.

Just confirming my suspects, that market is not good this year, lets see how it goes next year, but I'm not optimistic.

Let's see the next 10 years... 😄

> Let's see the next 10 years... I must say that Seems reasonable, unfortunately !

I think that user's attention export could be monetized (exporting it to US). This way the attention that FAANG get from users of their SAAS systems could actually contribute to countries that the attention is coming from. But country has to have an actual stance on things instead of opening the systems to people for free. Free internet is good but I see it as abuse of Universal Good. The spread of information is free but the viewer and country is at a disadvantage. Basically this would mean a license to expose your web endpoint in a country.

Hey! I was in a similar situation and didn't have much trouble switching. Although two potential challenges IMHO are that a) the job market's still kind of tough right now (but definitely improving) and b) UTC+2 definitely makes it a little bit harder since so many Clojure jobs are in the US (though there's a lot of Clojure in the UK too for sure!). You might want to reach out to https://flexiana.com/, who are remote and mainly EU-based, and (IIRC) are open to devs who are new to Clojure. Good luck with it! I'm personally so glad I made the switch 😁

Hmm, maybe I should mention that it's not a problem for me to work in US time zones, I'm not a morning person at all, and currently work with a US-based company, and in a way I prefer that, since I never have to wake up for a meeting 😁

Oh, cool, that definitely mitigates that challenge somewhat! The thread above this one has a bit of discussion of whether the dev job market's improving, in case that's useful.

One of my old jobs was at a multinational company, headquartered in the US — we had a few Clojure devs from Czech Republic and Ukraine IIRC. So it is definitely possible to get a job in your position. I will admit it will be a bit tough, due to current job market + many remote jobs having timezone requirements like “3 hours within UTC” or “3 hours within US Eastern Time”

@funkyloverone have a look at https://www.freshcodeit.com/ They have an office in the Ukraine.