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2021-12-16
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gklijs06:12:06

Seems like the current job market is a bit crazy? Not talking Clojure specific here, but seems like wages have gone up a lot. Guess I would like to know what others experience is, as I'm not really active and got an offer the would be about 50-100% increase.

jiri.knesl07:12:41

It is probably crazy, but it might be even more crazy in other tech. Yesterday, I was checking GitHub market share of various languages and languages like Clojure, F#, Haskell are decreasing their share. Which seems a proxy of “not being trendy”. In comparison with that, Golang, Rust are growing a lot. I think in these, market must be even crazier. When switching to Clojure, my motivation wasn’t job market, but personal wellbeing. If I optimised for the job market, I’d do Scala 9 years ago, Golang after that and Rust now probably. Or JS if I were into frontend development.

gklijs07:12:19

Rust is also fun, at least for me. It's a different kind of fun as Clojure. I don't really like Golang. Also there is much more to a job than the salary and the programming language. But if some companies are willing to pay a lot more, is it 'fair' to ask from others as well?

vemv08:12:15

> Clojure, F#, Haskell are decreasing their share. I think this is a fairly natural thing to happen, the world's dev population 2xs every few years and those newcomers come from places that will teach whatever is easiest (an effect that is exacerbated by bootcamps and the notion that coding can get you a nice job quick)

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Heather19:12:40

Earlier this year, someone on twitter said that if you’re a software engineer and your salary didn’t increase 30% over 2020, then you need to ask for that/find a new job. I don’t know if that’s how the clojure world is going, and I don’t know if that’s globally (maybe just in US metros?). I can’t find the original tweet, but that 30% stuck in my head. It does seem like salaries are jumping, but I’m not in the job market, so I haven’t been keeping tabs.

Mateusz Mazurczak14:01:50

I don't know about 30%, but life is getting now more and more pricey. So with inflation (depends where you live) ~6-7%, a lot of stuff getting more and more pricey. If you don't get a raise, you are earning less. Here where I live taxes went up, inflation, costs of gas etc. Which affects everything. Now my accountant takes more, I pay higher taxes, when I buy groceries I pay 10-50% more. My landlord raised the price of the monthly payment by 20%. So even though I will get the same amount of money I will be able to save much less.

lsenjov22:12:01

In Aus it's absolutely jumping. In some cases I've seen more than 100% increases. (Intermediate devs who used to be on AUD100k jumping to AUD220k. On average it's probably more like 50%. It's probably exacerbated here by Canva shooting for the moon and having one of the most aggressive hiring agency I've ever heard of (you refer someone, they'll send them two emails and three calls by the next day)