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Just the last week I had an interview with a potential client that, as it turned out, wants me to use Hubstaff. An accompanying question was, while knowing full well what I charge for my time: "What's the lowest rate you could agree to?" facepalm I am now waiting for the third horseman of the successful hiring - to never get back to me. Which is absolutely fine by me, given the above.

Jivago Alves08:12:40

Should answer that with: "it depends on the highest rate you could agree to..."


That would be the case only if their highest rate is higher than my current rate. :)

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So I see a couple fo job postings in #remote-jobs that requires the applicant to be in Europe. Is that restriction purely because of timezone issues?

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I guess it’s because it’s simpler. EU citizens can work in any member country without a work permit.;langId=en


Indeed. But it's often possible to work with someone without being hired - e.g. as a contractor and/or through your own legal entity. If you're really interested in some position, you should definitely study your options and reach out for a discussion.


@U015FHSUCGM I get that but I didn’t know it applies to remote


It does apply as long as it's a regular hiring procedure, with social insurance and personal income tax and whatnot.


@U2FRKM4TW so social insurance, personal income tax, etc are the same across the EU?


No, depends on the country.


Well, and many other things of course, which in turn depend on the country themselves.


That’s why I asked, it’s not clear to me why they limit it to only the EU because employment regulations differ significantly across the EU as I’m aware. It’s a bit strange that they ignore an entire continent from their talent pool.


Besides, here in africa, we don’t have any strong job regulations (we don’t even set minimu wages). At least contractor based arrangement will be fine. The engineer will work on paying their own taxes.


AFAIK any company from EU can hire any EU citizen. It has nothing to do with taxes and social insurance - it just mentioned them to describe "the proper hiring procedure". As an employee that is, as opposed to a contractor. Any company can also hire people from other countries, but it requires a significant effort. Effort that's usually just not worth it.


For example here in Cyprus, in order to hire a third-country national from outside the EU a company has to: - Do a background check of the applicant - Get a quota from the government for hiring third-country nationals, which is by itself a complicated procedure - Prove to the government that the applicant meets all the criteria and that there are no citizens with comparable skills (i.e. there are no locals that can be hired on this position) - Follow with the applicant through the process of getting a work visa It often takes months for a particular applicant to actually be able to start working.


As a Canadian who works in the US, the above is pretty much right. The biggest hurdle for my company is trying to explain to the government why they would hire me over someone who is a US citizen. My ability to work here is dependent on my formal education in CS and specializations for that specific job, not just that I am competent software engineer (since the US has plenty of those)


I worked in a place where is was pretty ‘normal’ to get people from outside of the EU. But like @U2FRKM4TW said there is a lot involved. At least in the Netherlands they do get a significant deduction on income tax. So it’s probably worth it eventually, as you can pay them less you would for an eu-citizen.


@U2FRKM4TW I think things now make sense to me.


I didn’t expect this though from the same countries that act like they care about us. Instead of sending foreign aid that only benefits the wealthy elites, they should open their markets to us.


What i've been reading here is, to my understanding, spot on but only for companies which are requiring people to work on site, not remote, right?


Once you are remote and are living not in the same country as where the company is based, there is basically no difference betwen you and another person outside of EU


I.e. work happens as an external contractor and it's the problem of the contractor to figure out their own local regulation. Sometimes companies pay a little extra (they save some money by not hiring people, and they have the upside that getting rid of a contractor is much easier)


In practice, @UTY5SPPLJ, you should just write to the companies themselves. If it's for remote work, i suspect that your location wouldn't be much of a difference if you're in EU or in Ghana


but be aware that when it's time to get paid, the companies probably wouldn't want the hassle to figure out how to pay you, so they might expect you to use something like Transferwise and pay you in $, € (or GBP, but now i don't know with brexit)


I see transferwise works with Ghana, so you probably won't have troubles


On-site vs off-site has nothing to do with it. You can be an off-site employee or an on-site contractor. It's employee vs contractor that matters.

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I ask this because I’m in Ghana (GMT-0) so i’m pretty much on the same timezone as europe and would like to apply but it’s unclear what EU-Only actually implies. This question of course goes to hiring managers from firms based in the EU.