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lispers-anonymous20:01:41

Is there anyone here that works as an independent clojure contractor that would be willing to share what they charge as an hourly rate? I'm trying to find a nice baseline to start negotiating from (as a contractor, not an employer). Thanks.

kwladyka11:01:55

Where do you live?

bherrmann15:01:23

What I usually do is figure out what a ft salary+benefits is, double that, then divide it by 2000 (number or hours in a working year.) So If typical devs earn about $200k per year (this includes salary + benefits + bonus) then I divide that by 2000 = $100/hr

bherrmann15:01:19

Although people who write checks might use different approaches....

bherrmann15:01:00

It is generally better if you can emphasize how much you can save the customer (or generate additional income) - and if you can show them that hiring you is a way for them to save money (or generate value) ...

kwladyka15:01:43

on the other hand companies always cut on you and you can do nothing about that unless you live in US / UK.

ag18:01:21

Do you really have to change hourly? Can you workout a scheme where you get paid per project/milestone? I think that is a much better option for both parties.

lispers-anonymous15:01:18

I probably couldn't @U0G75ARHC. The other contractors there get paid by the hour. I feel like hourly would be more consistent, which is what I want right now. That being said, I've never seen a situation where a contractor gets paid like that so idk if it would be consistent or not.

kwladyka15:01:33

rate per hour is standard

lispers-anonymous03:01:14

That's what I settled on. Just noticed I ignored all that other stuff above. I live in a mid-sized city in the south (US). Standard contractor rates for other companies that do C#/js/java/vb development is between 40-50$ an hour. Negotiations have started and i believe I will end up with more than the standard rates for other dev in my city. I'm happy with it as it will be the most I've ever made as a full time employee. I just have to figure out how to get health insurance and other benefits that I used to get as a full time employee

kwladyka09:01:49

Hmm you mean US rate for people who live in US is 40-50$? I expected it to be much higher hmm

kwladyka09:01:37

Here I can’t help too much, because I don’t live in US

lispers-anonymous14:01:55

In my city. In a place like new york or California it's going to be much higher.

ag19:01:00

The rate still feels very low, you may end up having it rough after paying taxes.

kwladyka20:01:23

So what is the rate for people living in US from your experience? I know it depends where. I hear different opinions.

ag20:01:39

Usually you'd take a full-time yearly rate and divide the number by 2080 (estimated number of work hours in a year)

ag20:01:49

That's the absolute minimum you should charge per hour.

ag20:01:28

@UDVJE9RE3 you should be charging at least $70/h

kwladyka20:01:38

that is what I was thinking about it, but I hear opinion rate and salary in US are not really counted at the same level

kwladyka20:01:30

yeah, this is different story for example for me, because I live outside US.

lispers-anonymous20:01:35

$70/hour is an extremely high rate for my city where the average software engineer job is a lot lower than that (like 50-60k per year). I believe I'm going to get about 60/65 per hour which is a really nice compromise for me.

kwladyka22:01:57

there is no answer, it depends on country, company and your experience. The range is very wide.