so far, i've worked-out the only way to do it is introduce it by stealth

very much depends on the organisation

the best way is to get buy-in from above

In our case we have “trust” from above (as in: the management is reasonable and understands our reasonings for doing things in a certain way), which I could really recommend as a way of doing things

ahhh trust, that would be nice

I find the https://juxt.pro/ landing page (+ the video you can find there) a good example of how to 'sell' Clojure... namely mentioning Clojure at the very end, as a 'by the way'. If one puts a lot of focus on a specific technology (whether on pros or cons), highlighting it as some kind of special or risky choice, the client will hesitate. Better to take 'Clojure is a proven technology' as a matter of fact.

in an ideal world you wouldn't have to mention it at all, it's an implementation detail and outcomes matter more than how the sausage is made

it does matter when you need other people then you working on it

which will happen earlier or later

yeah, but you can teach anything to smart people

Plus in every country there are great devs dying to get a clj gig

in the UK there is a shortage of them ….

yeah we're unicorns :unicorn_face:

I know of a UK company who hired two Barcelona devs recently. It's pretty great for everyone involved (some costs are saved, devs get a remote setting)

I think the issue in the UK is that most clj devs have a few years, are spread around the UK and want part/full remote

if I have a house in Manchester, London 5 days a week is... not appetising

And here was me worrying about getting a Clojure job if I move on from here and want to stay in it...

Mind you, I wouldn't want to live/work in London, and I find working with people in person much preferable to remote, so that would probably significantly limit me

Also currently I have no real knowledge of cljs, only clj

clojure is a double edged sword for jobs, for sure

you want at least another lang to fall back on

for me, python/ruby/js are how I'd expect a lot of my work will go from here, but I still default to clj

Yeah most Clj jobs are US or London

Expensive locations

there seems to be a few in Bristol (which is still pretty expensive) and Berlin pop up

some of the US ones are remote

I was mostly talking about London - yes. But there are Clojure gigs in Bristol, Glasgow and other UK cities as well - although probably less …