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Drew Verlee21:06:38

For those that are looking for a job, where are you posting that your looking?

Drew Verlee21:06:16

Or is the dynamic such that it's only meaningful to apply to jobs

vemv21:06:07

Personally I kinda don't get people doing that over #jobs / #remote-jobs . Job posters will receive a lot of applications anyway so why bother doing the first step? (plus a bit of negotiation power is lost, for employers)

lepistane21:06:35

what do u mean?

scriptor21:06:19

doing what first step?

Drew Verlee22:06:05

I'm not sure either, im just revisiting if I need to do more personal branding, which includes advertising myself, or if should join a consultant shop. This round of looking for a job is really discouraging because it's very unclear why I'm having trouble. My best guess is because I haven't specialized. Then again, knowing clojure seems to be a bit of a specialization

metacritical22:06:38

Devs who know clojure and companies who chose to use clojure for there products both have of risk taking ability.

metacritical22:06:51

And both are rare, breeds.

seancorfield22:06:45

Job seeking can be pretty soul-crushing, especially when you're just starting out in a field. It's hard to "stand out from the crowd" since there are so many devs of similar skill also seeking jobs.

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seancorfield22:06:24

Even when you have a lot of experience in Tech X, it can be tough since there are going to be quite a few (senior) devs in Tech X as well. And if you're looking to switch tech, that be doubly tough: you'll almost certainly have to take a more junior role than you're currently in -- and a lot of employees worry that a "senior" dev (Tech X) won't be happy as a "junior" dev (Tech Y).

Drew Verlee22:06:49

The effort to prove myself seems like it might not be that much greater than trying to start my own business.

Drew Verlee22:06:09

It just leaves me with the hardest problem in software, the business part :-)

seancorfield22:06:26

As someone who has been a freelance consultant (a couple of times), I'll say that the part I hated was always the self-promotion/marketing in order to get new contracts.

seancorfield22:06:06

In England, I mostly punted and use an agency for a lot of it -- their cut was so worth it for the reduction in hassle!

gklijs22:06:23

I'm slightly consider changing to wait that called 'midlance', the company does a great part in getting contracts, and also the payment, for a cut of 30%, there is also a minimal salary in case you get ill, or there is no work. It seems a lot, but I think I'm going to really hate that stuff if I would become freelancer. So far I'm been in more or less consultancy agencies, where there is sometimes little choice in which client your working for.