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2018-04-24
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slipset06:04:28

@kwladyka As for someone who’s both developing and hiring:

slipset06:04:25

1) I think your cv should get you in through the first filter in most any Clojure shop.

slipset06:04:50

2) Small, minor nitpicks: Separate your date of birth from your contact info. Then separate your links from that again.

slipset06:04:08

3) Add something about the various technologies you’ve used in the different positions, it might make for interesting discussions during an interview.

slipset06:04:07

4) Skip the calculations of engagement-length, I generally know how to subtract two dates.

nilrecurring06:04:08

Honestly I would take the date of birth away altogether, as it’s a piece of information which the employer does not need when making a decision to hire

kwladyka06:04:52

I think age could matter for some positions

nilrecurring06:04:19

The problem is that if an employer is comparing two applicants on “age”, that is straight discrimination

kwladyka06:04:26

No it isn’t. For some roles you need somebody older etc. It is naive to say age doesn’t matter.

kwladyka06:04:58

Unless you want to say if I will write age, employer will reject my CV, because of fear of discrimination?

nilrecurring06:04:54

I know of employers who do that.

kwladyka06:04:53

Or who compare?

slipset06:04:02

I guess that’s a two way street.

slipset06:04:21

Do I want to work for an employer who discriminates me because of my age?

kwladyka06:04:22

Yes, I understand such decisions. I don’t have problem with such things.

kwladyka07:04:03

It is not discrimination for me, but looking people who fit into position.

sveri07:04:47

I second this, age should not matter. For the same reason I dont put a picture of myself into my application. It's irrelevant how I look.

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Fahd El Mazouni07:04:05

I'm curious to know in what kind of position would age matter @kwladyka?

sveri09:04:05

If you dont want to go further into this discusssion, you shouldnt start one 😉

kwladyka09:04:22

ok i remove it, fix the mistake 🙂

Fahd El Mazouni10:04:02

too bad, I was really curious

dottedmag17:04:35

@U9W44J4RW Actor playing a 120-year old character?

Fahd El Mazouni17:04:52

@U07HVGQJ3 I'm not stupid I wouldn't trust a 70 year old with lifting a 100 kg load (although why would I hire a human )

Fahd El Mazouni18:04:22

we all know why we're talking about this

seancorfield18:04:33

There are also different expectations in different parts of the world. In the USA, putting any of age, race, photo, religion, or anything else that is "personal" and not job-related could cause all sorts of problems in the hiring process. In Europe, it seemed pretty common to see date of birth / age on CVs and even photos, as I recall (I was a hiring manager in the UK back in the 90's, I've been a hiring manager in the USA since then).

kwladyka10:04:12

Yes, I live in part of the world without this mental discrimination issue.

kwladyka06:04:29

Thank you. 2) yes, i noticed it yesterday. 3) I got feedback yesterday to add tools which i use. Your feedback confirm I should add this. 4) Here I got exactly different feedback yesterday. Personally I don’t know. Not easier to parse CV?

slipset06:04:44

I like what you’re writing about your position at ETIN GRoup where you write: “It was challenging to satisfy changing business needs during 10 years. It gives interesting point of view for technology.”

slipset06:04:28

You could maybe rephrase, but I’d recommend adding something like that for your other positions as well.

slipset06:04:58

But as important is your cover-letter. Make sure you “answer” the (implicit) questions in the job-ad.

slipset06:04:36

and relate those answers to your cv.

slipset06:04:27

If, for instance, the job-ad mentions some tech or domain you’re not familiar with, make sure to note that, and how you’ll overcome that challenge.

slipset06:04:28

Also, skip the generic part about being a quick learner who works well in teams and love to take on new challenges. No-one ever wrote the opposite in a cover letter so it brings no value.

kwladyka06:04:17

Thank you, I didn’t expect so extended feedback. I am very positively surprised.

sveri07:04:15

@kwladyka I agree with @slipset regarding point 4. Also its not that important if its been 4 or 5 years, so a rough estimation is generally enough, which can be done in the head fast enough and it leaves you more space for other stuff.

vemv09:04:23

> Skip the calculations of engagement-length, I generally know how to subtract two dates. The original used format was this one:

vemv09:04:13

Different people use different notations for year-month. In the screenshot I just get confused with so many numbers and dashes

vemv09:04:56

Also, I've come to believe that detailing months is an invasion of privacy (just like asking for your birth day/month is)

vemv09:04:26

Personally I use this format, private/clear enough