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Out of curiousity, me living in the outskirts of Europe and all, what’s the general expectation for new hires getting up to speed? Also, what’s the expected tenure of a new hire?
Depends how familiar they are with Clojure and FP in general. Normally I’d expect a lead time of at least a month before they’re productive.
As for tenure, as long as possible 🙂 but we recognise people move on. I’d hope for at least a year or two.
We’re hiring for anywhere in the UK, but sadly must be in UK for legal reasons 😞 https://gower.st/blog/2018/working-at-gower-st/
Well, there's HealthSamurai in Moscow and Modnakasta in Kiev, but they aren't hiring much.
there are a lot of small consultancy/project shops that use niche stuff if they can get away with it - Clojure included. They’re all around Europe but usually not at the size where they would actively look at hiring specifically for Clojure, even less remotely.
@roklenarcic it is not that bad ... https://nofluffjobs.com/backend/job/Clojure/Expert/backend/Scalac/EBKXIEZM
@hubert I moved to Finland and it was probably the best decision of my life 🙂 and we're hiring on-site in Helsinki! (so this might be the occasion to move)
@dottedmag I’m living in the bubble of Swedish-speaking minority (my SO is part of the minority, and I’m working for a Swedish-speaking company), so I’m not really forced to learn Finnish
Well, Stockholm is very close anyways 🙂 And thankfully the country is bilingual, so I can get all the things done in Swedish as well
I’m a native Finn but I think I’ve used more English than Finnish at work during past 3 years in a mid-sized company. I don’t think Finnish will be an issue.
@valtteri Oh, the workplace is not a problem, I'm interested in the remaining hours of the day
Yeah, unless you work in governmental stuff, where the business domain is in Finnish by definition, the language of dev teams is English anyways, given the (relatively) big amount of expats
And @dottedmag the local language is always a problem in social situations, but it again depends on the country. E.g. it would be much worse to not speak Italian in Italy
I felt excluded in Norway sometimes. It's not an explicit thing, but you see people sizing you up by not being able to utter a grammatically correct Norwegian phrase and switching to the "lower-status" language.
And it's pretty hard to get up to the speed on the language if the workplace's language is English and home one speaks native tongue. All I got is Duolingo 🙂
There’s probably no hierarchy, but there is definitely an effect of switching to “the channel with the most bandwidth” when possible, I also feel it with my native language (in which I have more bandwidth and more vocabulary)
But as @valtteri said, after a while one can pick up the language with some effort. Of course it’s cognitive resources that get subtracted to whatever side project, so that’s the tradeoff
When I traveled on business in Europe, I was always impressed at how much English was spoken for business. I visited Ericsson in Germany to present my company's product and the audience was a mix of Ericsson staff from all over Europe. Two Germans in the front row exchanged something in German and the Swede sitting behind them chided them and said "English is the company language -- please don't use your local language" which really kind of shocked me!
Company where I work (until the end of this month.. I’m currently switching to full-time clj/cljs job) also chose English as the ‘official’ language even though we have majority of Finns (
400) and 50 people from other countries (Denmark, Poland and Sweden).
At Software AG (German company) its the seam, english is the company language, email, wiki, tracking, everything is done in english.
When I worked in Norway there were no Norwegian engineers in the company until approximately a year from the time I joined.