https://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/#technology-top-paying-technologies-by-region

The top paying languages in France... 😧

Python is also equal 1st in Germany (and gets about $10k more than France). Interesting that TypeScript comes out on top in UK and Germany (equal 1st). All indicators of a small, and somewhat self-selecting, group of respondents. UK sample size = Germany + France together. A total of only 3,000 respondents across all three countries.

Even the US only having 3,600 respondents is a pretty small sample size.

Yeah, the StackOverflow survey is always pretty small, and I suspect comes with its own biases - as seen in the respondent sources in the survey's methodology.

Barring bizarre ideas like 1mln highly paid respondents using Clojure in Zimbabwe

@dottedmag I suspect a very small sample of Clojure developers scattered across countries that aren’t UK, US, Germany, or France? Netherlands, perhaps, or Australia?

But that also suggests any samples of Clojure developers in those four listed countries are low paid… which seems… odd too.

Mostly the survey's results seem extremely suspect to me, to be honest.

Or there are too few Clojure developers in these three countries ($72k wouldn't make US top list anyway). There is probably some filtering on the basis of number of responses, or a single INTERCAL developer being paid excessive amounts of money would skew the results.

If I ever get a salary survey I'm listing INTERCAL as my language

anecdotally, the salary of a clojure developer in Chicago area is north of 120K, depends on experience/person/company how much north

Most likely they don't hang out on SO that much 🙂

But that means living in Chicago area...

Re: SO survey — methodology: "We excluded respondents who completed the entire survey in less than 10 minutes.” — so people who read fast and type/click fast were removed from the survey 🙂 I am pretty sure I took the survey, but I don’t remember how long it took. Back to the Clojure salary “quirk”, the graphic that compares language and years of experience with salary showed that Clojure, F#, Perl, and Smalltalk all had higher-than-average experience, and if you extrapolate out through the Rust / Go / Scala / Erlang data points, Clojure’s salary point is in line with those, just augmented by experience: https://cdn.sstatic.net/Research/Img/2017/SalaryAndExperienceByLanguage.svg?v=620358b56236

@seancorfield Interesting, in their methodology do they ask what languages you use at work or for hobby/personal projects?

Or do they just ask what programming languages you know?

As I recall, it was specifically what you use for work.

There were one or two questions about whether you also programmed “for fun” outside work and what nature that took, I think.

I do think they ask some of the right questions, I'm just not sure they have a diverse sampling.