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nilrecurring08:01:04

@ejelome what do you mean by “over-expectation”?

ejelome08:01:36

like knowing more than what is actually required

nilrecurring08:01:04

It definitely depends. I’ve seen teams dropping the “knowing Clojure” requirement in job postings to increase the pool of applicants

nilrecurring08:01:19

Of course there is extensive training once in

ejelome08:01:40

good to know that

ejelome08:01:12

here's an example, say, an applicant wants to get a cljs job, but he only knows cljs and basic JS but never did clojure tasks (back-end)

nilrecurring08:01:00

I would take the applicant in, sure

nilrecurring08:01:17

I’m not a fan of huge entry thresholds

nilrecurring08:01:55

But it definitely depends on the nature of the task

nilrecurring08:01:36

And on the availability of a senior enough dev to train the new recruits

ejelome08:01:16

that's a great mindset, hope a lot of people think like that :thumbsup:

nilrecurring08:01:59

I’m less sure of this 😛 but thanks!

ejelome08:01:08

I've seen this problem repeatedly, a qualified applicant think he/she is unqualified not applying, then an unqualified thinking he/she is unqualified then getting hired, only to get fired 3 mos later, lol

ejelome08:01:33

but yeah, thanks @nilrecurring, some better perspective you got there, thanks 👏

nilrecurring08:01:03

Yeah that’s the usual thing that happens

nilrecurring08:01:43

I like when this kind of discussions come up, it’s nice to see that I’m not alone holding this opinion 🙂

nilrecurring08:01:45

But I think this stems from a more general issue in the industry: that everything is super time-constrained, and there’s no time for getting people to speed properly, and we have to cut corners, and hire superstars all the time

nilrecurring08:01:44

Now, it’s easy for me to talk like this since I’m not the one holding the budget, but this attitude has some objective drawbacks

jiri.knesl17:01:34

@nilrecurring the drawback is obvious. You have to pick from the pool of "already senior" people instead of "senior-soon people + already senior" people. In Clojure the first pool is substantialy smaller then the second.

josh.freckleton18:01:29

How do you take care of your taxes, how much does it cost you to do that, and are you W2, or self-employed, or something else? I've struggled through a couple years of trying to do an s-corp properly even with a CPA (scorp+payroll for myself+CPA = expensive, btw), and now i'm thinking of changing it to an LLC... My main thing is, I think I should be able to figure out how much state/feds want on my own without paying a professional. Like using QuickBooks? or something? Any guidance?