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2016-04-02
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dm318:04:40

do we want to drop non-evergreen browser support for Hoplon 6?

dm318:04:48

according to http://www.sitepoint.com/browser-trends-january-2016-12-month-review/ Chrome + Firefox + IE 10+ is ~85%, another 10% is Safari

dm318:04:56

I'm looking at making jQuery dep optional

dm318:04:48

which means simplified semantics of dom manipulation methods like removeAttribute instead of $.removeAttr

micha18:04:34

hm, so 5% of browsers are non-evergreen?

micha18:04:13

also there is the whole property vs attribute nonsense

micha18:04:38

jquery kind of lets you not understand how that sausage is made

dm318:04:38

if something is boolean seems still needs a different approach

dm318:04:31

a bit simpler in jquery2

dm318:04:30

seems like latest DOM API handles attrs/props well

micha18:04:55

i remember being disgusted with the gay goog closure did it

dm318:04:58

claims that jquery3 supports IE9+

micha18:04:32

perhaps we just lift out some things from jquery

micha18:04:06

is ie8 still a thing?

micha18:04:18

that was the last non evergreen ie i think

dm318:04:49

don't really know

dm318:04:04

setting attribute is still hard 😕

micha18:04:43

how ridiculous

micha18:04:56

the whole browser thing is an amazing pile of fail

dm318:04:30

well, at least it is an amazing job creator

micha18:04:10

lol the way they think macros are too hard, but that installing a new version of every person's browser on earth is a good substitute

dm318:04:31

moreover, we can all enjoy Node.js now

dm318:04:41

wouldn't happen if browsers were sane

micha18:04:19

if you like the browser environment you'll love nodejs

dm318:04:42

hopefully I'll be able to avoid that

dm318:04:47

oh well, not sure if it makes sense getting Hoplon off jquery

dm318:04:49

after all

dm318:04:07

maybe replacing with one of those jQuery-lite things

micha19:04:44

i was looking at that

micha19:04:57

curious how it compares to zepto.js or whatever that thing is called

dm321:04:41

also what's the use for hoplon.test namespace?

micha21:04:58

we could 86 that

micha21:04:48

i mean we could get rid of it

micha21:04:58

it doesn't do much

dm321:04:07

yeah, it looks strange

dm321:04:13

what does 86 mean?

micha21:04:37

i guess it's a thing in american restaurant slang

micha21:04:49

like when you're out of something it's "86ed"

dm321:04:25

ok, I see

micha21:04:36

haha sorry bout that

dm321:04:53

we could move it to demos