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2015-06-29
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agile_geek06:06:27

Morning - @otfrom we using this channel from now on then?

slipset06:06:49

Saw your picture at #C04V12NPC!

slipset06:06:10

So good to be back at work, working on some enterprise java again.

agile_geek06:06:50

@slipset: enterprise java, welcome to my world!

otfrom06:06:03

dunno. I figure this might be a good channel for general clojure chat in GMT +/-2 that isn't as high traffic as #C03S1KBA2 but busier than #C0522EZ9N or #C064BA6G2

slipset06:06:18

in other news, I saw that @metosin and some swedish company is hiring clojure devs.

bozhidar08:06:31

@otfrom: not a bad idea

agile_geek08:06:31

@bozhidar @otfrom : I’m feeling a consensus here? Feel the Euro-love

annapawlicka08:06:29

this channel was created specifically for the event, i suspect it will get quieter here in a few days

ordnungswidrig08:06:11

A big "thank you“ to all the people at euroclojure, speakers, organizers or not, for a great conference, and for maintaining a warm and welcoming athmosphere!

thomas08:06:23

@socksy: nice pics indeed

thomas08:06:49

has everyone recovered?

thomas08:06:57

I still feel quite tired...

annapawlicka08:06:34

i finally have but it took me all Sunday

annapawlicka08:06:54

let us know the results simple_smile

thomas08:06:13

what was the crime?

ordnungswidrig09:06:06

slipset: Oh, I need to try that, too.

andrea.crotti09:06:58

yes I'm also trying but getting Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: clojure/lang/IFn

andrea.crotti09:06:29

by doing "lein uberjar && java -jar target/code-maat-0.9.0-SNAPSHOT.jar"

andrea.crotti09:06:33

doing something silly?

slipset09:06:55

I just ran it as lein.bat run -l web_ip-logfile.log -c git

slipset09:06:54

which didn't do much, seems like we need a -a switch

slipset09:06:52

It quite does things, but we need lein.bat run -l web_ip-logfile.log -c git | grep -v pom.xml | grep -v test | head

socksy09:06:01

would be cool if there were some easy ways to visualize the ownership data from codemaat. Maybe should buy this book ^.^

slipset09:06:30

Should probably buy the book anyhoop, but I'd really like some default-viz as well.

socksy09:06:03

is there something that lets you run SQL like queries on CSV?

agile_geek09:06:01

https://github.com/adamtornhill/code-maat looks incredibly useful for my current client. I’m just debating whether I can get it past the corporate sign off process before the end of my contract in Feb!

socksy09:06:38

what kind of corporate sign-off do you need to generate a few CSV files?

slipset09:06:06

agile_geek: you're only parsing stuff that's already on premise

slipset09:06:27

you're not shipping anything off to anywhere (from the looks of it) with code-maat

agile_geek09:06:34

Can’t access it or run it on corporate network

agile_geek09:06:44

Can’t get to Github!

socksy09:06:11

…I think there’s a bigger cultural problem there

slipset09:06:11

wow! I thought my hands were tied simple_smile

agile_geek09:06:24

Oh, I love your naivety!

agile_geek09:06:24

@socksy: yes there is…no they don’t recognise it…yes I’ve tried to explain it…no I don’t have the ear of the right person who is approximately 15 levels above me!

slipset09:06:52

Do you have access to mvn repos?

slipset09:06:06

or clojars?

agile_geek09:06:26

Only via nexus..locked down to only repos used in the org.

agile_geek09:06:42

Hence the ‘can I be bothered to fight the bureaucracy’ post earlier!

slipset09:06:02

I know the feeling.

slipset09:06:12

Can I ask what sector you're working in?

slipset09:06:49

I guess I can ask, as I already did that, but are you at liberty to answer such a question simple_smile

agile_geek09:06:52

PS I am talking to you guys on my own laptop tethered to my own phone otherwise this conversation would be impossible and break contractual terms

agile_geek09:06:16

@slipset: let’s just say ‘Finance’ shall we.

slipset09:06:38

Finance is good simple_smile I'm currently in 'Insurance'

agile_geek09:06:50

Been there, done that!

slipset09:06:51

Sligthly more lenient here simple_smile

agile_geek10:06:23

@slipset: it varies, worked for many financial institutions but they are all a bit paranoid.

agile_geek10:06:53

I love it when they describe themselves as ‘risk averse’...

slipset10:06:24

I can see the irony, yes.

socksy10:06:37

@agile_geek: are you allowed access to stackoverflow?

thomas10:06:48

funny that these institutions are not risk averse when it come to betting our money

slipset10:06:53

Let's not give the devs the tools to work while we let our traders make huge bets on a hunch they got while taking a dump.

agile_geek10:06:01

running Java 1.5, mainly untested code (<4% unit test), little technical oversight on offshore teams, etc. ‘Risk averse’!!!!???

agile_geek10:06:40

@socksy: It got taken off us for 6 weeks, that was fun…lucky I had my own machine/phone.

socksy10:06:49

fucking hell

agile_geek10:06:33

@socksy: off shore guys still can’t access it! Fun!

annapawlicka10:06:12

I hope you all filled in EuroClojure survey simple_smile

socksy10:06:15

@annapawlicka: is there a link? Or was it in person?

slipset10:06:30

It was sent to your registration email

annapawlicka10:06:32

you should get one in an email

socksy10:06:47

well, guess I’ll have to wait until the boss gets off holiday

bozhidar11:06:22

I sure filled mine

bozhidar11:06:17

I have to say the lack of a mention of Central & Eastern Europe in it felt a bit excluding to me

korny11:06:00

@agile_geek: I used to bring a non-work laptop with a non-work internet dongle, so I could actually do work, at that sort of employer.

korny11:06:31

Mind you, this was in the days before mobile phone tethering, so the dongle was expensive and flakey. But still a life saver.

korny11:06:28

I still got occasional resistance from people who didn’t want me “wasting” my time on email/irc/whatever, but generally they had no power as long as I never connected to a work network.

korny11:06:18

more generally on code-maat: It looks awesome, would love to look at fiddling to make it more end-to-end - i.e. get data straight from git etc, generate visualisations directly via D3 or similar.

ordnungswidrig12:06:59

korny: end-to-end is a point. I played around with it this morning but still struggle to visualize in a nice way

alexmiller12:06:30

bozhidar: sorry about that - we just carried forward the questions from prior year and made some updates and probably could have been more complete there

ordnungswidrig12:06:28

@alexmiller: northern europe was missing too, IIRC. simple_smile

ordnungswidrig12:06:15

well, geo coordinates will do

agile_geek12:06:38

@thomas: middle europe..yeah you better hobbit..err..’hop it’ after that comment… also quietly leaves after awful pun

tcrayford15:06:47

in case you missed my talk ("Performance and Lies"), I posted my own video of it already: http://yellerapp.com/posts/2015-06-29-performance-and-lies.html (official vids won't be out for a few weeks) [sorry for the spam]