morning

Morning - @otfrom we using this channel from now on then?

Bruce!

Saw your picture at #C04V12NPC!

So good to be back at work, working on some enterprise java again.

@slipset: enterprise java, welcome to my world!

dunno. I figure this might be a good channel for general clojure chat in GMT +/-2 that isn't as high traffic as #C03S1KBA2 but busier than #C0522EZ9N or #C064BA6G2

in other news, I saw that @metosin and some swedish company is hiring clojure devs.

@otfrom: not a bad idea

@bozhidar @otfrom : I’m feeling a consensus here? Feel the Euro-love

this channel was created specifically for the event, i suspect it will get quieter here in a few days

A big "thank you“ to all the people at euroclojure, speakers, organizers or not, for a great conference, and for maintaining a warm and welcoming athmosphere!

@socksy: nice pics indeed

has everyone recovered?

I still feel quite tired...

i finally have but it took me all Sunday

let us know the results

what was the crime?

we'll see

slipset: Oh, I need to try that, too.

yes I'm also trying but getting Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: clojure/lang/IFn

by doing "lein uberjar && java -jar target/code-maat-0.9.0-SNAPSHOT.jar"

doing something silly?

I just ran it as lein.bat run -l web_ip-logfile.log -c git

which didn't do much, seems like we need a -a switch

It quite does things, but we need lein.bat run -l web_ip-logfile.log -c git | grep -v pom.xml | grep -v test | head

would be cool if there were some easy ways to visualize the ownership data from codemaat. Maybe should buy this book ^.^

Should probably buy the book anyhoop, but I'd really like some default-viz as well.

is there something that lets you run SQL like queries on CSV?

https://github.com/adamtornhill/code-maat looks incredibly useful for my current client. I’m just debating whether I can get it past the corporate sign off process before the end of my contract in Feb!

what kind of corporate sign-off do you need to generate a few CSV files?

agile_geek: you're only parsing stuff that's already on premise

you're not shipping anything off to anywhere (from the looks of it) with code-maat

Can’t access it or run it on corporate network

Can’t get to Github!

…I think there’s a bigger cultural problem there

wow! I thought my hands were tied

Oh, I love your naivety!

@socksy: yes there is…no they don’t recognise it…yes I’ve tried to explain it…no I don’t have the ear of the right person who is approximately 15 levels above me!

Do you have access to mvn repos?

or clojars?

Only via nexus..locked down to only repos used in the org.

Hence the ‘can I be bothered to fight the bureaucracy’ post earlier!

I know the feeling.

Can I ask what sector you're working in?

I guess I can ask, as I already did that, but are you at liberty to answer such a question

PS I am talking to you guys on my own laptop tethered to my own phone otherwise this conversation would be impossible and break contractual terms

@slipset: let’s just say ‘Finance’ shall we.

Finance is good I'm currently in 'Insurance'

Been there, done that!

Sligthly more lenient here

@slipset: it varies, worked for many financial institutions but they are all a bit paranoid.

I love it when they describe themselves as ‘risk averse’...

I can see the irony, yes.

@agile_geek: are you allowed access to stackoverflow?

funny that these institutions are not risk averse when it come to betting our money

Let's not give the devs the tools to work while we let our traders make huge bets on a hunch they got while taking a dump.

running Java 1.5, mainly untested code (<4% unit test), little technical oversight on offshore teams, etc. ‘Risk averse’!!!!???

@socksy: It got taken off us for 6 weeks, that was fun…lucky I had my own machine/phone.

fucking hell

@socksy: off shore guys still can’t access it! Fun!

@slipset: 😄

I hope you all filled in EuroClojure survey

@annapawlicka: is there a link? Or was it in person?

email

It was sent to your registration email

you should get one in an email

well, guess I’ll have to wait until the boss gets off holiday

I sure filled mine

I have to say the lack of a mention of Central & Eastern Europe in it felt a bit excluding to me

@agile_geek: I used to bring a non-work laptop with a non-work internet dongle, so I could actually do work, at that sort of employer.

Mind you, this was in the days before mobile phone tethering, so the dongle was expensive and flakey. But still a life saver.

I still got occasional resistance from people who didn’t want me “wasting” my time on email/irc/whatever, but generally they had no power as long as I never connected to a work network.

more generally on code-maat: It looks awesome, would love to look at fiddling to make it more end-to-end - i.e. get data straight from git etc, generate visualisations directly via D3 or similar.

korny: end-to-end is a point. I played around with it this morning but still struggle to visualize in a nice way

bozhidar: sorry about that - we just carried forward the questions from prior year and made some updates and probably could have been more complete there

@alexmiller: northern europe was missing too, IIRC.

well, geo coordinates will do

@thomas: middle europe..yeah you better hobbit..err..’hop it’ after that comment… also quietly leaves after awful pun

@alexmiller: no worries

in case you missed my talk ("Performance and Lies"), I posted my own video of it already: http://yellerapp.com/posts/2015-06-29-performance-and-lies.html (official vids won't be out for a few weeks) [sorry for the spam]