when using cider, sometime M-x cider-connect RET <my-host> RET, It will prompt for input password.

but sometimes It will prompt for input port. only this case works.

I've only seen the prompts for the host and the port. Is it asking for the password to an SSH key or something?

If I use lein repl :connect <host>:<port>, it will works. I don't think it need password. the cider-connect use ssh instead of direct connect to the nrepl server?

@qqq looks like there’s almost feature-parity indeed, but with more vim-like bindings I guess. If I’d start fresh today, I would defiantly give it a shot

@qqq @hkjels I’d put in a word for lispy, which is not exactly evil+paredit, but paredit if it was designed to be modal (in a different way from evil, but orthogonal enough that they can easily work together). If vi is a language for editing text, I think of lispy as a DSL for editing lisps. It’s easier to understand as you use it, but to me it is the tree editor that was promised.

@sooheon : lispy, is that the one where certain keys have special meaning if you're right before a ( or right after a ) ?

the idea being, you never want to type j( or k(, so if you're right in front of a (, and you type j or k, interpret it special ?

Yep that’s it. It has intuitive keys for navigating across those |( or )| points, and editing.

As well as selecting symbols of course

actualy, I found t's notion of forward/backward/up/down very confusing 😞

how do you use it, with evil or without evil?

It works well with evil because I and A in normal mode can take you to |( or )| very easily

I use it with evil, it’s pretty much second nature to me.

here's something I could never get it to work with lispy (and I spent a good two days configuring it)

Try looking at some of abo-abo’s example usages. They’re really enlightening

I want h/l to move me to the nearest-left and nearest-right (

and I want j/k to move me to the ( on the prev/next line

Don’t forget that f and b exist as well.

https://github.com/abo-abo/lispy#demos ?

As well as d

for Forward-sexp, Backward, and Different-paren

Yep those demos.

I think that prev/next line is a less useful way to think of it than parent/sibling, which hjkl navigate

Visually, f/b work well, as well as q, a, -

alot of the time the issue is: 1) I'm looking at a place on my screen (not where my cursor is) 2) I want to move my cursor there 3) hjkl makes sense, but thikning of "parent/nesting" not so much

Fair enough. In that case, q a - should help. I think a lot of the rest of the time, you’re thinking “I want to move up in this if expression” or “I want to go to the other clause”

Anyways, if you’re interested, the demos do a better job of selling than I could just yapping :)

well, the demos don't talk back to me

Haha yeah I’m happy to proselytize

Other keys of interest: g G m 2spc 3spc 4spc C-9 C-8

so a number of things that I find confusing about h/l suppose I Have:

(let [a1 ...
    a2 ...]
  (b1 ...)
  (b2 ...)
  (b3 ...))

To do what you just said, I’d just be pressing j j j

If I want to edit a2, I’d press a to select a2, delete, then type

If after selecting a2, (i.e. it’s marked), I decide not to edit it, and I want to get to b1, I’d probably do hmj

Which puts the cursor just before the b1 paren

you know what you could do to really convince me and would also convince lots of other people?

write a elisp module, which does the following: it records the sequence of the last 20 evil/paredit commands I'm editing; then it finds subsequences that can be optimized, and say "dude, this took you 15 strokes; in lispy, the following 4 strokes are equiv"

BAM BAM BAM, maybe people converted overnight

bahaha yeah that’s a great idea

s/maybe/many/

this is not maybe ocnvert people; this is definite convert many people

I probably have really shitty lispy habits, which is why I find lispy hard to use

yeah I’ll say it again, try some of the demos ;)

if it could look at my edits, get a diff, and compute the optimal lispy solution, I'd learn lispy faster and also realize it's full power

I didn’t grok lispy until I tried a few of them

yeah, currently watching #4; will try them after done watching

But yes, that’s a great idea which if I can’t do I’ll try to persuade the package author to try :)

my dev machine has 8 cores; I am willing to let lispy use 7 of them to watch me code / teach me better editing skills

Hey after demo 4, I recommend demo 2 it’s pretty great