This is not specific to Clojure, but those of you who want to try org-mode for the first time may find this useful: http://beppu.github.io/post/org-mode-basics/

@beppu, good job on the spacemacs post

I didn't know about SPC j I, that's very useful

I discovered that one evening while talking to @qqq about imenu. There are so many little gems hidden in Spacemacs.

I use SPC r m a fair bit to go back to a place I just left

g i is useful

I will try those out.

we should share our findings here 🙂

SPC r m is pretty nice.

Definitely.

my latest discovery is lispyville

if you enable it, you can dd lines or d regions while keeping parentheses balanced

it's so useful that it's surprising to me that spacemacs doesn't come with it enabled by default

Maybe they don't know? I'm relatively new to the Emacs universe having been a vim user for 15+ years, so there's so much I don't know.

I do use evil lisp state to slurp and barf but that's about it.

I mean spacemacs developers write lisp code all day

yeah me to, I use slurp, barf, raise, wrap and unwrap

other than that lisp state is clunky

Thank god for undo.

haha

Curious how spacemacs users edit lisp? I never used vim but tried evil a few times, and just gave up after trying to write some clojure and elisp

@jfntn Spacemacs seems to favor something they call evil lisp state over paredit.

Even the spacemacs lisp layer is really slow and clunky compared to say paredit

evil is better for everything... except for lisp

I mean it's not aweful but not as good as paredit or lispy

In paredit you might have to M-C-S-something but it’s more like one keystroke since you do it over and over, in that lisp state it like “SPC l k j” or whatever and now i need to repeat “l k j” ?

@jfntn no it has this "state" (the little bar goes pink) where keystrokes are interpreted as lisp-state movements

lispy is great, I’ve been using it for a long time and almost never missed paredit

so one thing I can't do in spacemacs:

select a form, and then select the next form too

suppose I want to kill them together, or move them somewhere else

Do that all the time, C-M-space

oh wait, 😛

precisely!

that's the kind of thing that should be easy

I suppose I could just bind that to some vim key I don't use?

@jfntn do you have a list of sexp-related movements/commands in emacs?

@pesterhazy what do you mean?

like useful ones?

yeah

like C-M-space, I didn't know about that

Here is my keyfreq data filtered for ‘lispy\|sexp'

I just tried C-M-space - it's wonderful.

mostly lispy

^-- how did you generate that file @jfntn ?

Nothing too interesting now that I’m looking at it

There’s a package called `keyfreq

damn emacs

that's awesome haha

I have keyfreq turned on as well 🙂

I'm going to install keyfreq now.

Do you know about SPC s w g and SPC s w w ? Google Search and Wikipedia Search (with autosuggest via helm)

It was recently retweeted by @spacemacs on twitter.

a window into my soul

lol I paused for a second when posting mine

you're way ahead of me man

9.85% evil-normal-state wut

perhaps as an evil user I have to type less?

@beppu, s w g is actually pretty cool

lispy-clone, that sounds useful

@jfntn I'm surprised you don't use cider-eval-buffer, opting for the finer-grained cider-eval-last-sexp and cider-eval-defun-at-point. (I guess Spacemacs makes cider-eval-buffer easier, so I end up using it more.) , s b.

@beppu, I agree, , s b is more useful

@pesterhazy There's some other crazy stuff under s that the guys in the Spacemacs gitter channel showed me.

Go into a Clojure project and type SPC s p and then search for a common string like "defn". This is a normal project-wide search. However.... then type C-c C-e.

You can edit the search results and then type C-c C-c to save your edits.

Your edits can span multiple files.

ivy does that too it’s really cool, though for clojure clj-refactor is way better when it works

@beppu I only have commands matching lispy and sexp in that list, I use cider-load-buffer usually

yeah that editing is kinda cool

I see.

helm-ag is my most-used command

(well not according to keyfreq but if feels that way)

lol I was surprised not to see some commands in my list too

@pesterhazy Did you know you could add command line arguments to your ag searches? For example, search for a string and then add -C to the query to give you context.

yes I did

very useful too

you also need to escape spaces for some reason

very happy with rg by the way

What's rg?

it's used automatically instead of ag if it's installed

it's even faster than ag

https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep

I started with ack. I only just recently installed ag. Can't believe I have to upgrade again.

I moved from git grep to rg recently and couldn't be happier

yeah I was on git grep for like 5 years

since we only get 10,000 msgs

someone should take this and put it in a wiki somewhere, lots of knowledge, would be sad for it to disappear

Surely someone has written a slack archiving bot.

there is one

https://clojurians-log.clojureverse.org/emacs/2017-01-30.html

we're all on camera

@pesterhazy cool. I didn't know that existed.

my achievements for the day:

(evil-global-set-key 'normal ";" 'mark-sexp)
  (evil-global-set-key 'visual ";" 'mark-sexp)
  (evil-global-set-key 'normal "U" 'backward-up-list)
  (evil-global-set-key 'normal "R" 'down-list)
  (evil-global-set-key 'normal "F" 'forward-sexp)
  (evil-global-set-key 'normal "B" 'backward-sexp)

I'm going to see if those help my lispy editing skills

@jfntn you helped me quite a bit there, thanks!

wait what's lispy-flow?

@pesterhazy you’re welcome!

lispy-flow is kind of an odd one, it goes down the sexp tree inwards but tries to not get stuck in a leaf and moves back up and down again, kinda hard to explain and not sure I totally understand it but you quickl build an intuition for it

I found the best help for my lisp skills -- was purchasing an kinesis advantage pro keyboard. It gives room for modifier keys, and thus shorter bindings.

wow, @qqq that's jumping in the deep end

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7125/kinesis-advantage-review-longterm-evaluation <-- for example, hitting the "END" key (right next to the DELETE key) with the thumb, makes hjkl all paredit comands

you like it?

I have the keyboard as well

i love emacs because with capslock mapped to control i never leave the homerow

and i've written a library to help manage window resizing, splits, killing, etc

on that keyboard, I have DELETE, which is. right under my thumb, mapped to CTRL

so i almost never leave homerow

ah nice

@pesterhazy : I'd love to know of any keybindings you have that exploit the kinesis design.

I'm currently trying to get all my emacs keybindings to be 2-3 keys total.

I use only one: I remap delete to escape

found the vim user

🙂

because I search with "/", I have mapped C-f to evil-normal-mode

unfortunately it didn't help my rsi but rather compounded it

so I can keep DELETE zs CTRL, but ESCAPE is just CTRL-F

but it's an amazing layout

The main emacs usability improvement for me is to map the cmd keys on the mac to ctrl, and the caps lock key to meta

Makes C-M-f etc a breeze

I can not believe we have a number of adults, supposedly with professional jobs, talking about keyboards and key bindings.

The other thing I found relaly helpful is Hydra mode.

well rsi is no joke

and comfort is what actual professionals talk about

there's a saying that you can tell professional photographers because they'll talk about shoes; amateurs talk about cameras

Spacemacs is comfy

@dpsutton I'll steal that line

go for it

it comes out of the lineage of news photographers

you might be on your feet for hours

and what you care about in cameras is that they don't fall apart when they get wet or dropped

we should ahve screencasts sometimes

I want to see cool emacs combo tricks

nice idea @qqq

http://www.parens-of-the-dead.com/ is what got me to doubt vim and consider emacs

I've never found anything of same quality since.

I liked http://emacsrocks.com/ but he hasn't put out new content in a while.

http://emacshorrors.com/

for a love/hate take on emacs

it highlights some of the warts of the codebase

but from someone who really cares about the platform

what's a good package for selecting a dark color scheme in emacs?

also, he or she has a really nice emacs.d on github

(I didn't realize until now that the emacsrocks guy and the parens of the dead guy were the same.)

@beppu: the voice is distinctive

https://github.com/owainlewis/emacs-color-themes

@dpsutton : the spolsky theme really is nice

i think i run a modified version of odersky

solarized-light all the way

this is borderline heresey, but is there a evil-normal-mode optimized for LISPY interaction ?

have you seen the lispy package?

I'm quite fond of the default spacemacs-dark. I also like gruvbox from time to time (from the spacemacs themes-megapack (http://themegallery.robdor.com/))

@dpsutton: I tried lispy, but found I liked paredit far more

lispy's 'context sensistive' and 'movement keys' were confusing for me