or even better... just bundle these to use as a fallback if cursive cannot access the internet. the versions don't generally matter as long as they're not super old

I’ll look into this. I’m not sure about bundling both of them just for the odd occasion that that’s required, but I agree that some way to set it up easily would be a good idea.

it is expected. there are various incarnations, but one is a locked-down coder environment. I can download lein and deps.clj from internal sites/repos that pull from github, clojars etc - but for github especially its not just a matter of changing the host name. but this situation is a bit of a moving target - for example at times I have had more access on a non-dev machine than on a dev machine - so I would have to download things on the non dev machine, then scp them over to the dev box.