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leifericf09:12:54

I’m not sure if this is the correct channel for this question, but I couldn’t find a “slack-meta” channel. Now that we have Slack Pro, I believe we also have access to https://clojurians.slack.com/apps! Perhaps we could create a bot to automatically post Clojure-related questions from Stack Overflow to Slack (https://clojurians.slack.com/apps/A018QU4F7S7-stack-overflow-for-teams?tab=more_info!), so that they get attention by the right people and get answered quickly. I think this is an important aspect of the beginner experience, welcoming newbies, etc. Also, I think it would be a good idea if we were to move as many Clojure-related questions as possible out of Slack and into Stack Overflow, to make the content available to a broader audience, and to show that the community is engaged and welcoming.

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p-himik09:12:15

There's #community-development Also, just in case - all that functionality already exists on Zulip. SO, Reddit, Clojure Ask, HN, maybe some other platforms.

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eggsyntax17:12:53

> Perhaps we could create a bot to automatically post Clojure-related questions from Stack Overflow to Slack I like this idea! > I think it would be a good idea if we were to move as many Clojure-related questions as possible out of Slack and into Stack Overflow The difficulty is network effects -- people post here because this is where questions get answered, and people focus on providing help here because that's where people ask questions. There have been a number of attempts to move the community to a different platform, and so far with the exception of ClojureVerse it seems like none of them have gotten enough traction to shift the center of gravity (and ClojureVerse, as more of an async forum-oriented spot, serves a somewhat different function). I think everyone would prefer to not be in a walled garden, but (as we've all learned from the fact that Facebook just won't die), the problem is coordinating well enough to overcome the network effects.

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seancorfield18:12:32

I will say that I find the feed of SO questions in Clojurians Zulip to be useful and it's not particularly high traffic. I'm looping in @U04V6FEES because he manages all that stuff for Zulip to see what he thinks about creating a Slack equivalent?

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seancorfield18:12:08

I think having dedicated channels here for each of SO, Reddit, Ask, and HN would make more sense than having a single #news-feed style channel (in Zulip, those feeds are separate topics but all under one stream). And I don't think it would be a good UX to auto-join new members to those channels but we could link to them from the Get Started page (that the Pro plan has allowed us to set up).

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seancorfield18:12:27

(but I don't feel very strongly about one channel vs several, if other folks think a single channel would be "better" -- it's just that in Zulip you can mute each topic independently, which Slack can't really do: threads here are not really the same as topics there).

eggsyntax18:12:56

Your proposal of separate, non-auto joined channels seems like a good balance to me!

eval202021:12:37

@U04V70XH6 👍 will give it a spin somewhere this week (reusing the zulipbot-slack-app).

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eval202021:12:16

Channel name suggestions? feed-stackoverflow ?

seancorfield22:12:55

#feed-* would probably be good names, yes. Thank you @U04V6FEES!

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leifericf11:04:16

@U04V6FEES Did you get the time to look into this? Let me know if I can help with anything! By the way, I couldn’t find the aforementioned channel on Zulip either. Do you know if it still exists, @U2FRKM4TW? Instead of creating separate channels for each of the external Q&A sites, may I humbly suggest that we gather them all in one track called #questions or something like that. I don’t think there will be an overwhelming number of questions, and then it will be easier to see everything in one place. If necessary, we could prefix the threads with a tag like [Stack Overflow] or [Clojure Q&A]. Whomever moderates the Clojure Subreddit could create a flair for Q&A as well, so that we forward only the questions (not open-ended discussion threads) to the dedicated Q&A channel in Slack.

p-himik11:04:27

It's #announce on Zulip. All Clojure-related posts from SO, HN, ClojureVerse, Reddit, and other platforms, get mentioned there.

leifericf11:04:10

Aha, thanks! I was searching for “feed-*” and “Stack Overflow” and couldn’t find the channel. Now I see it!

leifericf11:04:29

For easy reference, here’s a screenshot.

acron16:12:11

Does this count as unsolicited? [spam, admin]

eggsyntax17:12:24

It doesn't, since it's a response to a post by you (and especially since you solicit DMs in that post). Thanks for checking!

Karina Skrinnik19:12:05

Sorry for disturbing! I only wanted to answer to vacancy post as decided we could help

acron12:12:04

@U02BSUZ1GSD No need to apologise, I wasn't upset that you reached out to me, but I wanted to clarify the rules on reaching out to people on #jobs/#remote-jobs

acron12:12:17

The reason being is that I also run a business that has an interest in companies that are hiring but I was under the impression it was bad etiquette to reach out in this manner

acron12:12:37

Well, more than that; I thought it was against the rules

acron12:12:03

It's interesting and useful to me know understand that it is not

acron12:12:21

Appreciate the clarification @U077BEWNQ

eggsyntax14:12:40

> I was under the impression it was bad etiquette to reach out in this manner > Well, more than that; I thought it was against the rules Well, I can't speak to the etiquette in an admin capacity -- to me personally in terms of etiquette it seems like a grey area that might sometimes be ok but could easily annoy people (I think it's fair to say that most devs get a lot of annoying messages from recruiters these days). I'm just saying that from an admin perspective it's not a rules violation 🙂

seancorfield17:12:51

Speaking from an Admin's perspective: if you post a job opening and say "DM me with questions" with no restrictions, you can probably expect an agency to DM you about it. If you post a job opening that specifically says "No agencies" and an agency DMs you about it, that's a violation of the rules. If you post a job opening with instructions on how to apply that says no DMs and someone DMs you anyway, that's either a violation of the rules or an indication that they can't follow instructions.

seancorfield17:12:05

Of course, agencies would probably do well to think carefully about how they will be perceived if they DM people without asking first, in public, whether an agency would be considered.

seancorfield17:12:39

Sad to say, we're used to a lot of recruiters being fairly clueless in general (they join, post jobs all over the place, then say "Sorry, don't use Slack much, didn't know the rules!"). Agencies should be better behaved. Individuals who behave like that will probably just disqualify themselves from any jobs anyway 🙂