Clojurians Log v2

LazyTest is another option for unit testing etc, in the clojure.test mold. Etaoin is more like Playwright. Can you describe what you're looking for that doesn't seem to exist?

Afaik there's no playwright equal in terms of featurefulness

We used to use clj-webdriver but switched to Playwright in our Clojure codebase at work. We haven't tried Etaoin.

There are bits of it, like Sean mentions, Etaoin is like Selenium. It's great for that, but that's just a part of the puzzle. Portfolio is great for demoing and eyeballing stateless UI components, and initially seems like a good springboard for what you're after, but the design is specifically aimed towards viewing a library of stateless components. There's no built-in integration of automatic testing.

My experience of testing frontend stuff is very limited. Our frontend at work is based on React.js and uses Jest for all of the automated testing at the component level.

I think there's a gap here ripe for the taking. The Clojure community generally isn't big on testing, afaik. That probably also affects the perceived value of a new player in this arena... I think it would be amazing to see something like Playwright in clj/cljs, but I know it's a big task to implement and maintain something like that, which should probably be weighed against a potential user base.

Comparing our Jest-based unit tests for the frontend with the Playwright-based "end-to-end" tests for some parts -- the Jest-based stuff is so much more reliable and maintainable. The Playwright stuff is complex, lots of mutable state, and is where we have the most flaky, slow tests. Could Clojurians produce a "better Playwright"? Yeah, absolutely, but does Playwright fit with enough of the way Clojurians build and test apps? Feels like a niche within a niche.

Even where we are testing our own APIs, we use a hato-based HTTP testing harness and clojure.test / Expectations / LazyTest (we started migrating from clojure.test to Expectations years ago and more recently we've been migrating to LazyTest).

Playwright from the REPL is so much fun: https://github.com/pfeodrippe/wally

So right now the company has 1 backend in PHP, that services through API calls to 2 frontends, one webapp and one react native mobile app. Playwright currently can do everything except mobile testing, which I think they're about to start doing with Appium. I thought about using Clojure for the API endpoints tests between the services and Playwright for browser, I was wondering if there was already some tooling for this in Clojure, that better Playwright

But I guess I'm fine with using plain Clojure with a test runner like LazyTest (which I haven't used yet) for the most part, and Playwright for the rest

#lazytest has its own channel, in case you need assistance there. #testing exists for general testing-related discussions. #etaoin has a channel too. I searched for references to playwright and it does seem to be quite popular. Looks like some folks are using it from the REPL, some from nbb...

Have you looked at the channel here, called #clojure-camp ? Really that channel is a redirect to their home on Discord, but you might find it very helpful . Also, take a look at https://www.braveclojure.com/