I'm attempting to create a knowledge graph of all the concepts necessary for Clojure fluency, for a new interactive learning platform. Does anyone know of any prior art in this space?

Chas Emerick used to have a Clojure Atlas that was like that http://clojureatlas.cemerick.com

@porkostomus I guess you know of the technology radar of Thoughtworks (not clojure related, but might be useful) and as for a platform to make the knowledge graph browseable I would recommend https://roamresearch.com/ it makes it easy to link concepts together. And it literally generates a graph. Also clojure toolbox would be related https://www.clojure-toolbox.com/

Hi! I’d like to make a static site with deps.edn (or possibly lein) and while I could assemble the pieces myself I wonder if anyone has an example? Some things I’d like are: • Hiccup • Asset optimization (renaming of css files for cache busting, minification of css etc) • Live reload support

Never tried it, but Bootleg seems to be doing (at least part) of what you want https://github.com/retrogradeorbit/bootleg

Interesting! Was more looking at deps edn aliases though that just run normal clojure namespaces

I find you find something with live reload and asset pipeline features, I would be curious to learn about this

For sure, I’ve had a setup in boot before that did many of these things and could probably just steal the code from the boot plugins. But would love to see some other examples of state of the art.

Oz has great support for SSG w/ live reload https://github.com/metasoarous/oz#static-site-generation

There's also http://cryogenweb.org/

if you want to have static web page generator probably hugo in go is the best option. I know this is not Clojure, but right tool for the right job.

https://clojure.wladyka.eu/ - here is an example of my blog in hugo. I was trying crynogen before but IMO hugo win this game

even when it is far away from being perfect

I set up and use hugo at work, it is nice if you want to write some markdown and get a website out of the other end

> it is nice if you want to write some markdown and get a website out of the other end this is what bootleg (written in Clojure, available as native binary) also can do. how does hugo compare to bootleg?

here's are some blogposts about bootleg: - https://epiccastle.io/blog/generating-xml-with-bootleg/ - https://nextjournal.com/plexus/advent-2019-part-18-exploring-bootleg

Take a look at this this clojurescript react wrapper: https://github.com/Lokeh/helix

It’s a different paradigm that reagent

@viebel Is that related to static HTML generation or are you reacting to something else?

Oops

I posted in the wrong slack group. My bad!

np 😉

hard to compare hugo vs bootleg, because I didn’t use bootleg. hugo solve almost everything for you, but coding template is a nightmare. Debugging and documentation are pretty bad IMO, but many people think documentation is good. So expect debugging part and doc when coding template hugo is very good.

Hugo is a lot more "Rails"-like in that it's very conventions-based. There are pros and cons to this, but it does seem to mean themes work out of the box. You get a set of environmental vars based on TOML config files that can be accessed in your markdown. You have a top level dir with well-known folders and config TOML files: themes, static content, "content" (markdown files in a specific layout) and so on that you run hugo.exe on. If you want to do more than use/minorly edit an off-the-shelf template there's a lot(!) to learn. A divisive feature that sums up the hugo philosophy for me is auto-generating the nav bar for your website by using the dir hierarchy in the content directory. "Easy", not "simple" 🙂

I would like to hear more about bootleg and maybe see template / posts

Oh yeah, it compiles quickly. Some site generators are super slow.

so the downside of hugo is when I code template I feel I use brute force method to guess how it should be written, because errors messages and documentation don’t help. But expect of this, so writing posts, attach images, link structures etc. works pretty good

The author of bootleg wrote this recently: https://epiccastle.io/blog/generating-xml-with-bootleg/ (oops, was already posted above ^^^)

Thanks for the input! I have tried hugo before and it was great for a blog site but I’m making a simple landing page. And I also just think that hiccup is the best thing out there… Oz is also very nice but again more targeted towards blogs etc.

why not raw HTML?

Does bootleg has sitemap.xml generator and all stuff around?

at least I don’t see this

this is the source for the http://epiccastle.io site: https://github.com/epiccastle/epiccastle.io/blob/bce74a8baa757828e510dc463b8b054bf7b4f377/epiccastle.io/blog/index.clj

they don’t have sitemap.xml

so this things are still advantage of hugo

@retrogradeorbit ^ maybe this is useful feedback

I guess you can just generate one like it is done for the rss feed, I guess it's more low level and less opiniated

It does not automatically generate a sitemap.xml, no

the classic static site generators do a lot of stuff for you, but also require you to learn their way and work within it. A bit like a framework.

bootleg is lighter. Its a clojure DSL tailored to processing and transcoding markup. There is no "magic" in it. It's up to you to tie it together however you want. It can be used for more than just static site generation for instance.

I like that

(although I built it for static site generation...)

I think if you want the automatic magic you could choose one of the others. There is also a clojure static site generator more in the vein of those others called cryogen https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen

I was using cryogen before and I found it too limited for my needs. I don’t remember exactly why.

it has this downsides of framework

like you mentioned

but yes, I definitely don’t want to code things like sitemap.xml, feed etc. myself

so I expect from the tool a little “magic”

@vikeri I noticed above you mentioned asset optimisation. That is something I am going to add to bootleg next. I want to front my site images with a CDN. And I want to minify images for thumbnails inside the code. So some of this will come soon.

https://gohugo.io/

I propose we take the static HTML discussion to #off-topic to not bug other Clojure people with this

How do I prevent data.csv from creating "\"random-string\"" when a cell item is not a string and others are.

has anyone had any success with using raw bytes as record keys with jackdaw?

https://clojurians.slack.com/archives/C06MAR553/p1582039369250600 Our of curiosity, @alexmiller do you use any automation to figure out the version MAJOR.MINOR.COMMITS?

what is the most useful tool or function to collect how long a function took to complete its task? I know about the function time

time

I mean, yeah, but I would like something more detailed than just

"Elapsed time: 100.284772 msecs"

you mean like a profiler?

That would be pretty nice

I found https://github.com/hugoduncan/criterium as a benchmark tool

Java profilers like YourKit work but that's a big hammer

https://github.com/clojure-goes-fast/clj-async-profiler is a good flame graph style tool

https://github.com/ptaoussanis/tufte is pretty solid and easy to use for profiling.

What about visualVM?

Not ready for general announcement yet, but you can try it already: Reveal (Read Eval Visualize Loop) https://github.com/vlaaad/reveal

i am using Calva and trying to get back into clojure in general, but vscode/calva can’t seem to resolve defroutes. what do i need to do to make vscode/calva pick it up?

I am using on of the libraries mentioned above (tufte) and the mean is display as 1.286475273E9 how could I evaluate this to an actual number?

the type is a double.

I answered to myself