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today is big day, the priest of openreach should visit our home and bless it with a socket, i might have cabled internet by the evening, i took a day off to properly prepare
@ashnur we got fttp a couple of weeks ago... so good - my internal (powerline) network is now the bottleneck!
been doing them for more than two weeks now
Just make sure you don't miss the visit, or it'll be weeks before they'll agree to come again, unless you're particularly persuasive/persistent
I never opened up the bt hub router from the box also. I feed the ethernet cable into a small form factor PC and run opnsense as my firewall/router.
yeah, if you have Ethernet cable, here Virgin advertised 500 but they are not even calling back after I asked for it
I would ring them. When I phoned up to leave them (to go to BT) they magically was able to offer me 512Mbit
I think I turned down FTTP, because I didn't like the look of the people who rang the door one day, claiming to be "working on behalf of BT"
Alternatively, we could be the only house in the neighbourhood not being spied on by the KGB now
I'm looking at the BT offers page, and it says "Your current package: Fibre 1", and one of the deals I could get is: "Fibre 1, £5 extra a month" 🎉
the best i can get from FTTP atm is 150Mbps 😢 ... which i presume is an ISP package limitation rather than anything to do with the hardware. otoh 150Mbps is rather better than the 3Mbps i was getting from ADSL a few weeks ago 😀
@U11EL3P9U nope, but A&A availability checker says "Superfast" FTTP (Fibre to the premises) at 80Mb/s (or 160Mb/s)
Yeah. I love A&A, I used to be with them. I would jump at a chance to go back to them, if only they supported the same speed I get with BT.
after a couple of spectacularly bad customer service experiences i while back i made a vow to never buy anything from BT retail ever again 🙂 but... 900Mb is quite attractive
although my internal powerline network is topping out at 80Mb atm, and wifi is total rubbish through all these victorian double-skin brick walls, so i think i've got other things to worry about before my fibre bandwidth
I have a powerline, a set of these: https://www.devolo.co.uk/dlan-1200-powerline
I have a powerline from upstairs (where my line comes in) to downstairs, then I hooked up a Unifi AP to that downstairs. I have two unifi APs in my house providing a mesh 🙂
my powerlines are nominally 600Mb ... but practically i seem to get about 80Mb
i'm not sure i want to know what that says about the state of the wiring in my house 😬
Currently not active (i.e., downstairs is pretty quiet, as I'm upstairs and not using any devices downstairs)
oh, ok - so you are seeing a similar ~5x difference btw the nominal speed and the measured speed - so my ring mains might not be made of :cheese_wedge: after all!
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It sounds a bit like some folk are conflating FTTC with FTTP. Especially awkward because a lot of ISPs just refer to both as 'Fibre'
i don't have options to pick from, either 29Mbps or nothing, don't know what acronym that is
i had bt before, when we moved, i moved my contract, assuming it will be easier this way
You can order FTTC nearly anywhere. BT have mostly already run the fibre to the local green cab, but the link from that cab to your house is over the old copper (or, if you're really unlucky like my parents, aluminium) infra. But because it's a much shorter line you can still get good speeds. I'm on FTTC here and getting 78 down / 18 up. FTTP actually requires them to run a new fibre line from that cab into your house, and is definitely not something you can order in most places, although some areas have been upgraded if the demand is high enough. New builds gets it as standard these days, although as I found out with the one we're aiming to buy not always from BT. So I get FTTP but I have to go with some dodgy supplier owned by the builders. No link to BTs infra at all so can't even go with an old style ADSL line 😞
but i do asked for virgin if they would be so nice and dig a trench just for me with their mythical 500Mbps
29Mbps sounds like you're green cab isn't even enabled for FTTC and the best that can offer you is VDSL2+ (copper back to the exchange)
Where is your new place? Mostly the locations that aren't FTTC enabled yet (or have green cabs far enough away it's still crap) are quite rural but not rural enough that the govt have given BT grants to enable them
(Used to work for a local ISP before transitioning to dev(ops), so have a fair bit of knowledge about that stuff but it is also ~10 years out of date 😉)
especially the second image is particularly disgusting to me, i had better internet in 2003 in a really remote place in romania i had actual FTTH in an even more remote place in 2015. For fifth of the price.
I have FTTC. Some people wanted to put in the cable for FTTP (for free), but presumably that wouldn't actually have benefited me without paying extra
we got FTTP for free - openreach had recently strung cable to the local telegraph poles, and then sky are currently waiving installation fees for pole->house for some promotional reason
'Normal available' numbers make it sound like that is FTTC. Most packages are either "up to 40 down/ 10 up" or "up to 80 down / 20 up", though I believe some can go even faster on that infra now. The min guaranteed and low normal available upload make me think your 'last leg' is probably a big crap. Maybe quite a distance to the green cab, or on ally like my folks
When was the house built? IIRC some places either got ally if built around WW2, or had the copper stuff ripped out and replaced then, back when we needed copper for wiring etc for 'the war effort', and it's never been swapped back because :man-shrugging::skin-tone-2:
because looking at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x#Definitions the whole group of acronyms is more confusing than helpful
there is copper, ethernet or optical cabling, everything else seems pointless to talk about, no?
You can plug your details into here: https://availability.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search and find out all juicy details
The green cab at the end of the street/nearby that splits out bundled cables/fibre lines into wires that will actually terminate at each house. More or less. There might be a junction point on the telephone pole near your house too or similar
My local green cabinet, number 17 to it's friends, is quite a distance from my house
one thing is sure, i only have copper, doesn't really matter what is there in the cabinet...
switched to virgin, then as soon as bt rolled out fttp to my locality, switched to that.
If you have regular VDSL, there will be 100 pair or more copper bundled cables from the exchange to that cabinet, then smaller bundles out to streets and your house. With the DSLAM in the exchange (used to be). With FTTC they run optical fibre to those cabinets from the exchange, put the DSLAM in the green cabinet, then run copper (or aluminium, if you're unlucky) pairs to your house. With FTTP they run optical cable into your house and you need something that'll turn it into ethernet (ISP/BT provided) so you can plug more regular kit into it.
@ashnur in my old house my pure copper dsl was ~1.5Mbps - it went up to 50Mbps once we got FTTC
My new ISP after we move aren't even able to give me a global IP at the moment 😞 CGNAT... I might have to buy an L2TP tunnel from A&A until the direct ISP sort their shit out...
@mccraigmccraig I see, well, I guess I am happy I don't have 1.5Mbps then 🙂
first time i had anything worse than UTP cabling directly when I moved away from romania in 2008
and after the regular several hundred Mbps it was extremely slow. Now the same thing. I think I will get a 4G contract as soon as I can, that's much faster, even here, from EE
ancient buried copper is expensive to upgrade
Wireless bandwidth is frequently faster, but beyond a certain point (which I'm already easily at) the things I care about more are latency and jitter, which wired is still vastly superior at
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