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dharrigan05:09:20

Good Morning!

djm05:09:35

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jiriknesl12:09:55

Off-topic but I didn’t know there’re so many way to pronounce R https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_/r/ I thought it’s just standard R and rolling R (used by people from latin & slavic countries) until I met Scottish guy who did pronounce his R in something I thought to be rolling R, but not it seems it was more likely tapped R.

Conor13:09:08

The guy who did the voice clips for that page seems like he was having a good time

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Conor13:09:50

One of the problems with living in the UK is having to mentally correct myself every time I spell my name out, UK people can't process it when I pronounce 'r' as 'orr' instead of 'arr'

mccraigmccraig13:09:29

english is very slack with pronunciation - but that's maybe a strength in that it remains comprehensible even when it's being slaughtered. makes teaching the kids to spell quite hard though

thomas14:09:41

try reading this one put loud: http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

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dominicm14:09:57

Reading it is easy (for a native). I expect not for others.

dominicm14:09:13

I think if you come from a consistent language, you probably don't read ahead a little.

mccraigmccraig14:09:07

oh... "made has not the sound of bade"

mccraigmccraig14:09:15

i thought it did

mccraigmccraig14:09:33

so it seems even some native english speakers can get tripped up in the first few paragraphs of that poem

Ben Hammond15:09:47

I've not seen that poem before. made me smile

Ben Hammond15:09:45

I love the way that you can use tonals to create metadata that might completely reverse the meaning of the words

zyxmn07:09:35

This is glorious . Thanks for sharing

zyxmn07:09:34

Don't know what it means when the words are in italics .

mccraigmccraig07:09:15

i think the italicised words are the focus of irregularity in that verse

mccraigmccraig07:09:03

the version that @U052852ES posted seems to be a longer version than most... i've been looking for an audio reading of it (but sadly can't find one) because there are some words on there i have been pronouncing wrongly in my head (bade, ague, terpsichore - i know the first two, but i don't think i've ever spoken them, and the third was new to me) and probably many more i don't yet know i've been pronouncing wrongly

thomas07:09:31

I came across it years ago and it is quite tricky for non native speakers I think

thomas07:09:16

and yes I thought made and bade were the same as well, but then again, I am johnny Foreigner anyway

mccraigmccraig08:09:39

bases on the first 50 italicised words, i've gotten 2 of them wrong (based on comparisons to audio readings) - so that gives me about a ~5% error rate, as a native speaker

mccraigmccraig08:09:18

i suspect i would do better if i were a fan of classical literature and theatre

mccraigmccraig08:09:21

there aren't many terpsichores or agues in the media i tend to consume though

dominicm08:09:28

Oh yeah, I'm totally ignoring the words nobody uses or knows what they mean anyway.

thomas08:09:27

good to know I am not the only one

Ben Hammond10:09:14

just realised, that poem avoids mentioning scones

Ben Hammond10:09:19

perhaps that is wise

dharrigan11:09:28

scones is right there with vim vs. emacs and spaces vs tabs

mccraigmccraig11:09:59

i dunno, i'm an emacs user, but i have a healthy respect for vim users, and have occasionally even been tempted to cross the divide - whereas i have no respect at all for tab users or those who pronounce scone as "sconn"

dharrigan11:09:26

scone as in gone

dominicm11:09:30

yeah but is the pasty from devon or cornwall?

Ben Hammond12:09:29

I though all these innovations are from China originally

Ben Hammond13:09:26

and they received them from alien civilisations ... no doubt