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jiriknesl04:07:50

I use my laptop’s display as secondary. So in front of me I have LCD, ext. keyboard, ext. trackpad & the laptop is in the stand next to it

dharrigan06:07:58

Good Morning!

zyxmn07:07:35

Good morning , I use a XPS 13 too provided by work . No external monitor setup . Its not ideal for front end development since I have to alt tab between the browser , the browser inspector and the ide . Regarding the neck issue , I found a couch and pillow setup with plenty of back and neck support 😂 .

mccraigmccraig07:07:13

does most everyone get neck issues with laptops ? (i'm the other way round.... i find a laptop straight on the desk leads to my neck being in a comfortable position, and a monitor on a stand makes me uncomfortable :man-shrugging:)

Aleksander09:07:06

I definitely started having issues with neck pain that mostly got away once I got a separate screen on a stand

djm07:07:57

I get pain either between my shoulder blades, or around my right shoulder blade. My laptop is on top of 6 quite thick books while I'm working from home, and don't have any other screens

Aleksander09:07:11

the shoulder pain is something that ergonomic keyboards can possibly help? the ones that are split in the middle

Aleksander09:07:28

I’ve just realised that one like that might be useful for me as well 🙂

djm09:07:53

Thank you, but I don't think so - sitting up straight, stretching, and getting up from time to time make a big difference

minimal10:07:28

I use split ergo keyboards but dunno if they help with my shoulder pain. It does allow for a more natural relaxed position in general though. For me shoulder/neck/back pain is more to do with monitor position and chair/posture

Aleksander10:07:29

that was just my theory: that neck is connected with the screen position, and the shoulder pain to the keyboard… but then maybe I’m just looking for an additional excuse to splash $300 on a mechanical keyboard 😆

minimal10:07:26

it definitely could incrementally help along with other measures. And there is always a good reason to get another expensive mechanical keyboard 😀

djm07:07:45

After a bit of work, my standing posture is pretty good now, but I haven't made much progress on my sitting posture

zyxmn07:07:08

I guess since you are always looking down when using a laptop your head is tilted slightly forward straining the neck if that position kept for a prolonged period of time . If you are looking straight at your eye level , your head is resting on your shoulder . I keep switching between sitting , standing and laying on the couch flat with some cushions to adjust . Seems to work best for me . No pain at the end of the day . Also exercise in the evening seems to help a lot

dharrigan07:07:26

At work, we got a bunch of standing desks in - the ones that move up and down. It's fun. I'm going to see if I can get it home with me 🙂

dharrigan07:07:49

However, the "novelty" wears off, and it's tiring standing all day...

Ben Hammond08:07:58

isn't that why they move ?

djm08:07:29

I've heard that standing at a desk all day isn't much better than sitting, but that switching between the two is better

dharrigan08:07:17

Indeed. They move 🙂 But the fasination of being able to stand and then sit, for us, didn't last. I guess we're all (in our office anyway) systematically lazy and after a while, I noticed that nearly everyone was sitting during the day, and no-one was going up...and down....and up....and down 🙂

Ben Hammond08:07:47

heh. perhaps there's of productivity software that you need to write

Ben Hammond08:07:11

that automatically adjusts the desk when it feels that you are getting too comfortable

dharrigan08:07:35

I imagine a few raspberry pi's, hooked into the drive system with a forced raise and lower initiated at times during the day would help...take the human factor out of the equation.

Ben Hammond08:07:01

if its an entire office then they could orchestrate a Mexican Wave

dharrigan08:07:09

that would be fun!

dharrigan08:07:47

or, if the CEO comes into the office, the desks all rise up to salute his entrance, quasi-forcing us to rise and stand for his gracious appearance too...

Ben Hammond08:07:23

or if you broke the build, your desk could rise and eject you

dharrigan08:07:37

this is getting interesting...the possibilities....

dharrigan08:07:53

My own usage was this, I would come into the office (after walking to work) and I would raise the desk. Since I was "active" then having time to spend catching up on emails, browsing some tech articles and settling in and having the desk "up" helps a lot...then as the morning, day wore on, the desk would be lowered and I would sit for the rest of the day...

dharrigan08:07:18

That worked for me. In terms of monitors, having the monitors at eye level, with natural head inclination was good, I admit.

dominicm09:07:58

The Jarvis that I have uses an RJ45 (ethernet) to control the height of the desk. I plan to try and intercept the communications at some point to see if I can do exactly as suggested, automate the sit/stand switch every 45m

zyxmn09:07:42

Also forgot to mention, I found using a birkenstock type footwear while standing to be very comfortable since the footwear eventually contours to your feet shape.

Adrian Smith13:07:04

G'morning (somewhere?)

mccraigmccraig14:07:05

it's always morning in UGT @sfyire!