Good Morning!

Mornin'

I'm off work today!

Which sounds great, but really it means chores 🙂 So my weekend can be lazy and chore-free.

(we're 157 episodes into ST:TNG at this point -- into S7!)

Morning

Morning o/

(sheesh, emojis are hard late at night!)

Sean just told me about this channel 🙂

Looks like this is UK-specific #off-topic kinda?

Hahaha... occasionally we talk about Clojure, yeah.

Heh OK

I am very much the Clojure noob, but I can talk all day about UK 🙂

I've been in the US for 20 years and I still miss some aspects of the UK. And my friends and family.

I can imagine, I get that just working in London.

Well not at the moment, because I'm at home on sabbatical, but when I'm working.

Not fancying getting on a train to London at all right now.

Famous last words, but I can't imagine not living in the UK

I'm certainly glad I WFH normally.

If nothing else, moving between cities is hard enough, let alone countries

I was hoping to be over in the UK in September (my wife was supposed to be judging a cat show) but I don't think that will happen now.

Since I emigrated, almost every time we've visited my family has been because my wife has been judging a cat show in England. I think we've only come back once for an actual vacation...

Korea just had the first in-person cat show since the COVID lockdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imtGQEr4atI

This is the organization that normally brings us over from California https://www.londoncats.org.uk/

Our cats are rescue scruffs, although I grew up with siamese will probably get some one day.

Household pets can compete too 🙂

We're just bummed we won't get back to the UK this year 😞

Morning

Morning

¡måning!

Has the whole "rename master branch to main" thing reached the UK yet?

I've seen it being discussed

I switched all my popular repos from master to develop but that's what I used in my previous tech community anyway.

The BLM protests have raised awareness in the UK, at least temporarily. I see numerous colleagues talking about their experiences of racism in a way that they might previously not have felt able to.

At $work we use integration instead of master already. I don't suppose it's something we'd have time to think about if we did use it though

Presumably the UK tech community in general is reading US twitter and blog posts, so it's hard for it not to reach here

I do wonder if going after naming a trunk branch master is chasing symptoms rather than actual issues - especially as it is absent a comparator (unlike master/slave -> primary/replica in database replicas, for example, which does make a lot more sense, that is actually offensive) - but equally if it makes folks more comfortable then obviously it's worth doing. My impression is that in the US visible racism is so much worse, whereas in the UK I believe it is much more structural, so I can see why maybe a potentially visible instance of it would be targeted more quickly over there.

all of that said

on my current project we've gone from blacklist/whitelist to allowlist/denylist

so tl;dr we probably will change master to main

@alex.lynham I did read some things about how git probably took master from bitkeeper, where master does have a corresponding slave

oh really?

I assumed it was like a master record in databases or a master in audio

in audio it's the version from which all replicas are derived

which makes sense

but okay if it's part of a master/slave tuple then I understand the upset - like I say, we'll likely change ours in the next coupla days

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2019-May/msg00066.html

(Especially the HOWTO link)

ahhh gotcha

well that makes the decision a lot easier :D

never had to rename a trunk before, but looks simple https://www.hanselman.com/blog/EasilyRenameYourGitDefaultBranchFromMasterToMain.aspx

The git contributors mailing list had a very long discussion about this and a deep analysis that suggested it does not originate from that master / slave reference in Bit Keeper but the consensus was that it should be changed anyway

@seancorfield oh, okay. Do you have a link to that?

I'm in bed on my phone so no. But it was a fascinating two hour read last night

That article points at the IETF, but it was just a random proposal and was never approved or anything. I think the RFC went stale.

Several big projects have already made this change over the last few years -- so it's not exactly new

But there are certainly some very outraged ppl pushing back on it now

https://twitter.com/david_syer/status/1272478501128601600 - I saw this with a script for how to do it (and at least one more in the replies). I didn't read the Hansleman post closely enough to see if he covers everything they do

It's an easy change. Took me about five minutes to change most of my protects

we do trunk development so there aren't really any PRs

I'll talk to the team in huddle and say that once our deploy today goes out we'll switch it over so we can all just pull and move on

ezpz

Morn'

@seancorfield What's it like to live in the US vs UK?

US is huge. Probably depends more on where in particular you live in each place. For example, IMO there's a bigger difference between say London and Stirling, than between London and Boston. And conversely, Napa, CA actually feels quite similar to Stirling (apart from the marginally better weather).

Morning guys! Don't mind me. Anyone doing some nice Clojure & Crypto-related work here in London? Lmk in thread or DM ;) Thanks!

yeah, I know that it has a historical precedent that's non-racial (history degree, represent) but I understand the sensitivity issue

same reason I try and say 'folks' instead of 'guys' at work. costs me nothing, might make somebody feel less excluded

and I hate the word folks lol

but at least it's neutral

folk is quite common in Scotland doesn't make you sound quite so 'merkan

I once failed a driving motorcycle test exam because I used accelerate to mean change of direction(velocity)

its not enough to be correct, you need to be understood

I once failed a motorcycle test because the driving instructor told me that it was okay, during a U turn, to mount the pavement (sloped, driveway), to gain more space. Naturally, the examiner failed me on the spot when I did this, and when I confronted the instructor on why they told me it was okay, they denied outright that they did.

I was sooooooo angry that day.