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2020-04-06
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dharrigan05:04:56

Good Morning!

Gulli05:04:37

Good morning

maleghast10:04:33

Morning everyone.

alexlynham10:04:12

finally have to upgrade my 2013 MBP as the JVM is not being kind to it

alexlynham10:04:18

even refurb macs are so spenny

alexlynham10:04:47

gonna get 32GB RAM cos if I never hear my laptop complaining about docker or the jvm again it will be too soon

alexlynham10:04:43

(though it occurs to me that idiom actually works both ways)

maleghast10:04:15

@alex.lynham - All I have to say is that I feel your pain, and based on my disappointments (which are admittedly partly driven by trying to use my MacBook Pro for photo and video editing, a LOT), I would say go 16". The 13" machines just are not up to being a mainline computer by anyone’s standards. I am going to replace my 13" as soon as I possibly can, I really regret buying it in terms of the disappointment in it, versus the money saved.

alexlynham10:04:58

is that a touch bar?

alexlynham10:04:21

I reckon it must be related to how intensive the screen is

alexlynham10:04:05

cos my 2013 can still just about run logic and final cut x okay, it’s just as a dev machine it’s beginning to creak with multiple jvms

alexlynham10:04:24

(but the screen resolution etc, while original gen retina isn’t anthing to write home about)

alexlynham10:04:33

(and it can’t run a 4k monitor)

alexlynham10:04:06

wow and yours can’t run final cut v well? that’s wild

alexlynham10:04:39

I guess I am running a six years old version, so that might have something to do with it… presumably the specs were lower for logic and final cut back then…. 🤔

maleghast10:04:42

In fairness, when I am doing “work” on it as I am at the moment (long story) it’s “not bad”, but once I get into photo / audio / video it’s loud, hot and not very responsive

alexlynham10:04:06

yeah that’s what happens when I dev clojure on this one 😂

maleghast10:04:17

I use Premiere Pro, not Final Cut, but po-tay-to po-tah-to

alexlynham10:04:34

yeah I would expect their footprint to be similar

alexlynham10:04:52

okay well that’s it settled, 15 refurb with 32gb it is

maleghast10:04:18

For one thing the discrete graphics in the larger ones helps a LOT when doing any photo / video work.

alexlynham10:04:52

ah… maybe that explains it… my 2013 does have discrete graphics. I think?

maleghast10:04:53

15" refurb with 32GB and a discrete graphics chipset sounds perfect to me.

maleghast10:04:28

I thought the last of those ones would be gone by now, so was expecting to have to go 16" when I trade in / up

alexlynham10:04:10

looks like there are some knocking around. a couple on the apple store (but dear) a couple on hoxton macs. none on the reseller near me tho

alexlynham10:04:02

well it’s a new tax year today so at least expensing a mac today makes sense lol

folcon11:04:58

Huh, sounds like you got lucky, I’ve been hankering for a new machine =)…

alexlynham11:04:41

my wallet will not be thanking me

maleghast14:04:25

@alex.lynham - Tell me about it! I need about £3.6k to get the 16" MBP I want…

maleghast14:04:39

(and that is nowhere near fully loaded)

alexlynham14:04:06

I think I specc’d out a new one at 3.6 or so, so went for a refurb instead haha

maleghast14:04:36

Still, I am reasonably certain that when I buy it I can hope to get 5-6 years out of it for my media-related usage.

maleghast14:04:19

and on that basis it feels like a solid investment at about £600 / year

alexlynham14:04:47

yeah I mean my last one was just over a k to me, and I worked out that I had well over a one hundred times return in six years, so in that regard…

Conor14:04:29

If only you had bought five or six of them!

Ben Hammond14:04:39

when you are using it all day every day for work it becomes alot easier to justify

alexlynham14:04:22

@conor.p.farrell you went linux rather than mac last time didn’t you?

alexlynham14:04:45

I think if I didn’t want to use ableton I would def go lenovo thinkpad

alexlynham14:04:52

rather than mac

Conor15:04:27

Yeah, on an XPS. The hassle was probably worth the £1000 it saved me

alexlynham15:04:27

hassle of sorting out drivers and whatnot?

Conor15:04:04

General messing about etc., overall it wasn't too bad except for having to use the GPU full-time as without it, it struggles to drive two monitors

alexlynham15:04:58

hmmm that hassle over 6 years… probably not worth it, idk

dominicm16:04:17

I'm happy amd support Linux better, but I have an older Verde gpu, so I'm stuck

alexlynham18:04:57

my work macbook went down last autumn and I had a pretty productive few weeks with the lenovo, which only had 8GB of ram - just goes to show how much heavier osx is. the big issue was again the odd driver issue, support for monitors etc

Eamonn Sullivan20:04:50

I have the work MBP home with me, but I find myself just using my supposedly underpowered ThinkPad with Ubuntu as my main machine. It doesn't have the umph to do virtual background in Zoom, but that's pretty much the only thing I found that it can't do. It has i5 processors and 16GB of RAM. Yes, the fan goes on once in a while, but I have noise-cancelling headphones on...

alexlynham06:04:55

16gb is enough to be fair

alexlynham06:04:03

For most things anyway