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dharrigan06:03:42

Good Morning!

Olical11:03:05

Morning! (just about)

mamapitufo11:03:09

good morning from a sed rabbit hole!

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Gulli11:03:10

Another question, follow up from my logging question yesterday. Are you dynamically updating your log levels? If so, how?

guy13:03:33

👀 from what ive seen its usually a bounce. There was one time i saw log levels that could change with a environmental flag but it was rarer than it was common. If that makes sense.

dharrigan15:03:52

I update from time to time by exposing it via a JMX bean (which logback has)

dharrigan15:03:08

then just adjusting the value via jconsole or whatnot

dharrigan15:03:50

but I rarely do that, just if I have to closely montior something for short period of time

seancorfield16:03:28

This was why we originally decided to give up on Timbre: we were using it to allow for dynamically changing log levels... but we just never actually needed to do that. So we decided it wasn't worth the complexity. log4j2 allows us to use a .properties file and has a JVM option to select different files at startup which is all we've found we need.

Gulli16:03:21

@U04V70XH6 That alongside a reload intervalis exactly what I want

flefik12:03:17

I seem to remember a study/claim/talk somewhere that the cost of developing software in language X is not the setup cost, but the efficiency of the framework and language. I.e. when choosing something like Python or Rails you get a head start, but that head start quickly disappears to other languages, that may require more tinkering up front but are faster in the long run. I think it might’ve been in a talk from the clj community. Ring any bells?

thomas12:03:40

@cfeckardt I think that Rich has said things along those lines... but can't quite remember which talk it is from.\

flefik14:03:27

Guess I’ll have to watch them all again … :D

dominicm14:03:28

Just so you know, he wasn't citing a study

dominicm14:03:31

It was just made up

dominicm14:03:54

I think it was his early simple made easy talks with this

dominicm14:03:58

The ruby one maybe

thomas15:03:50

that could be it, simple made easy

thomas12:03:48

@olical please note that we use UGT time here... so it is always morning when you join the channel (http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html)

Olical12:03:20

Hahaaa good to know, I love it!

thomas13:03:44

we do as well 😉

flefik14:03:18

How is everyone coping with the lockdown?

dominicm14:03:20

Eh. I feel a bit anxious about the idea of police patrols.

dominicm14:03:28

Police generally make me nervous.

seancorfield16:03:29

At least yours aren't heavily armed and prone to shoot people 😐

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dominicm16:03:44

Sometimes they have guns here

dominicm16:03:14

I saw one get very close to a baby when the officer opened the door for a lady with a pushchair

mamapitufo16:03:28

London Transport Police officers look like robocops

mccraigmccraig14:03:33

you get used to it - both my parents were coppers :female-police-officer::male-police-officer:

dominicm15:03:44

The anxiety or the police?

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Gulli16:03:19

I just started paternal leave, my idea (before covid) was to spend a good amount of time making my first real service in clojue. Now that our other one (2 yo) dosent have nursery that dream is fading away :D

guy16:03:40

its really tough trying to code with kids next to you haha

Gulli16:03:01

Tellme about it 🤪

maleghast16:03:10

How is everyone doing ..?

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dominicm16:03:37

@glfinn83 for personal or professional use?

dominicm16:03:41

@glfinn83 anything interesting you want to share? Or is mystery the name of the game? 😉

dominicm16:03:09

(I'm just nosey about what people are doing with clojure)

Gulli16:03:54

http://Unbiasedpress.org. Using ML to try to de-bias news. It's not just clojure, also Java/Spring and Python/Tensorflow. But clojure will serve as glue between different services and handle alot of processing. The first service for the system can be found on my github /adadelta

Gulli16:03:18

Its Spring though

dominicm16:03:33

That's a pretty serious side project

Gulli16:03:33

Hopefully not a side project at some point :)

seancorfield16:03:29

At least yours aren't heavily armed and prone to shoot people 😐

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dotemacs18:03:43

Pro tip from .it: when ordering food from online supermarkets, set the alarm for ~3:00 AM and order then to avoid huge queues.

3Jane18:03:21

this ... seems perversely smart. avoid server overload.