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2020-02-27
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dharrigan07:02:30

Good Morning!

thomas07:02:33

Moin moin and welcome @cursork

cursork08:02:47

'moin'? Double-checks I'm not in clojure-germany...

marcus08:02:41

Morning chaps!

jasonbell08:02:42

Not officially out until May (unless Wiley bring the date forward) but nice to get my copies through. There is some Clojure in here. All the fun, glad it’s over, rewrites are harder than the first edition…… 🙂

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guy11:02:25

Is it available for early access?

jasonbell12:02:38

Honestly don’t know. I don’t think so.

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guy11:02:29

Morning

dharrigan14:02:21

I saw someone recently walking around our local supermarket with a surgical mask on

dharrigan14:02:37

tis a coming!

practicalli-john14:02:20

It's already here... They evacuated Canary Wharf yesterday

dominicm14:02:10

I read that you shouldn't use a mask unnecessarily.

dominicm14:02:30

I saw lots of people in Birmingham wearing them though.

dharrigan14:02:14

I read that too. There's a good video on the Guardian website about masks. Here

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mccraigmccraig15:02:51

i was pleasantly surprised when i saw what china seems to have managed (to curtail the spread of covid-19)

mccraigmccraig15:02:19

what do you think are the chances of the rest of the world doing similarly ?

mccraigmccraig15:02:43

(6 weeks ago, china's chart looked pretty much the same as the rest-of-the-world)

dotemacs15:02:45

My wife heard from some friends in Milan, they stayed indoors for six days until they ran out of food. Then they left Milan altogether because even the local supermarkets ran out of food. I thought this was made up, but it looks like it isn’t. Having said that, one guy at this place where I’m at, came back from .kr two weeks ago. There was a warning that if anybody travelled from that part of the world, not to come into the office. But he was already in the office and nobody keeled over… yet.

3Jane15:02:28

eh, complicated

3Jane15:02:39

Chinese numbers were (and probably still are) fudged

3Jane15:02:06

I'm surprised Japan is doing badly, considering the masks are normalised there, but maybe the govt didn't want to "spread panic"

mccraigmccraig15:02:37

this is the thing that worried me more than the virus. i figure there's not very much you can do about whether you get it or not, so not much point in worrying about that. but temporary food shortages i can do something about - so a few weeks ago i went and bought a couple of months worth of dry goods

3Jane15:02:02

it's still worth protecting yourself (wash/sanitise hands, don't touch face)

3Jane15:02:25

masks are to avoid spreading whatever you have to other people; they don't protect you.

mccraigmccraig15:02:07

lol, probably - but E_KIDS. it's impossible to get them not to stick their fingers in the mouth every 15s

3Jane15:02:13

but, as plenty people said, service workers often are shamed into going to work when sick

3Jane15:02:19

Japan shut down schools for a month today

3Jane15:02:47

I'm guessing that's supposed to catch E_KIDS - if other countries follow suit it's gonna be interesting

3Jane15:02:05

anyway, as you said: temporary food shortages can be dealt with

3Jane15:02:19

and on that note 😄

Ben Hammond15:02:28

how much confidence do you place in the information gathering?

Ben Hammond15:02:54

oh I'm way behind

mccraigmccraig15:02:01

in which info gathering ? i have reasonably high confidence that the ROW confirmed-cases info is a good lower-bound - and that's looking exponential atm. much lower confidence in whether china is really on top of it, but a lower-bound on the ROW numbers is far more personally impacting

3Jane16:02:17

I'd have confidence in reports of actions undertaken (school shutdown, flights cancelled, people encouraged to wear masks); numbers themselves are likely to be underreported partly because of political interests, partly because unofficial reports of faulty / insufficient test kits (false negatives possible). I think we're less likely to suffer as a result of illness and more as a result of panic, and preventative action is likely going to be annoying.

minimal16:02:41

I’ve mostly seen people worried that we would suffer from under-preparedness that will in turn lead to panic, so they want people to start preparing now

practicalli-john17:02:36

Maybe I should have washed the peanuts I bought from China 🙂

mccraigmccraig17:02:30

mmm chlorine washed peanuts

practicalli-john17:02:07

No, I'll just cover them in tumeric powder, they will be fine.

fmjrey18:02:10

just put a mask in front of the air vents 😷

thomas19:02:22

if you are on a Windows computer, yes.

cddr22:02:58

Scenes from the resistance in Wuhan

seancorfield22:02:43

Like a ghost town...

cddr22:02:26

They’re still getting food in though (unlike Italy according to the comment above)

cddr22:02:23

Meanwhile me who hardly ever leaves the house is galavanting from Switzerland to Baltimore via London tomorrow. Pretty sure I’m gonna catch the damn thing before my brother who’s just chillin in his flat in Wuhan :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:.

seancorfield22:02:01

I'm glad my wife's cat shows have been cancelled -- she would have been in Shanghai in January and then twice in April.

seancorfield22:02:00

We're flying Denver next month (funeral) which should be low risk (from San Francisco). We're hoping it's all cleared up by the time we go to NZ/Aus in August and England in September 😐

seancorfield22:02:34

She was in China half a dozen times last year for cat shows.

cddr22:02:10

Yeah it’s a funeral that’s necessitating my weird travel plans too. Sorry for your loss in Denver

seancorfield23:02:22

Sorry for your loss too. Ours is for my mother-in-law -- she was almost 96 and we really "lost her" several years ago to Alzheimer's so this is more of a relief. My father-in-law passed four months ago -- he had just turned 96 -- and the family kept his ashes until mom died, and now we're burying them together near his old army base. It'll be a party: my wife's family have just one rule for funerals ("don't wear black") and have some of the most hilarious stories about "a funny thing happened on the way to the funeral"...

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