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2019-09-19
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dominicm07:09:38

good morning

thomas07:09:02

Buono Estente

manas_marthi11:09:44

Hi all, could someone please advise how do I configure leiningen to use specific maven profile..

folcon14:09:43

As in a profile defined outside lein?

folcon14:09:52

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a “Smart” TV?

mikepjb15:09:36

(I don't have a smart TV.. I think? 👀 📺)

folcon15:09:59

Well my conception of smart TV’s are ones with things like web browsers >_<…

folcon15:09:43

Alternatively do you use your tv as a target for laptop screen display/mirroring…

3Jane15:09:35

what do you want a smart tv for?

3Jane15:09:24

they have this feel of ... suspiciously convenient

folcon15:09:34

? What does that mean ?

3Jane15:09:25

I'm not sure how to describe it. Some tech is "obvious", which I think means it's designed well

3Jane15:09:58

It's not flashy design, it's convenient design. Comfortable. Like someone made new slippers which however feel comfy and pre-lived-in.

3Jane15:09:25

And I'm surprised at the amount of interactivity you can get out of them using a very simple interface (a pilot)

3Jane15:09:34

At the same time, knowing how bad quality code usually is in hardware, and how much people want to track you these days... I get hella suspicious. Like Alexa. if it can track you/call home and you won't be able to tell, of course it's gonna do that.

practicalli-johnny15:09:33

My TV is over 10 years old, although I do have an Apple TV device plugged in (I got it free from work). It's basically my Netflix box.

folcon15:09:55

Hmm that’s a point

folcon15:09:28

I’m just trying to get an idea how usable those builtin browsers are at present…

folcon15:09:02

Actually @lady3janepl, do you actually write IF stuff?

minimal15:09:04

most of the time you would use the netflix/iplayer/prime app rather than the browser on a smart tv

3Jane15:09:34

oh is that why? you want to write IF on a tv?

3Jane15:09:35

(I've never written a full IF game, I only do storytelling live. Funnily enough I've been thinking about it this morning, I need a simple choose your own adventure engine for a teaching project.)

folcon15:09:10

Well I’ve gotten bits of one written…

yogidevbear15:09:21

Feel like I missed a reference in the conversation somewhere. What is IF in the context above?

folcon15:09:29

Interactive Fiction

yogidevbear15:09:39

P.S. Morning

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folcon15:09:46

3Jane and I discuss it now and again =)…

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folcon15:09:53

Well bandersnatch was an experience…

folcon15:09:04

Not that I’m up for doing video >_<…

folcon15:09:30

@lady3janepl what do you want this engine to do?

3Jane16:09:06

literally choose your own adventure

3Jane16:09:39

might try choice script, or ren'py

folcon16:09:56

Have you given inky a go?

folcon16:09:37

Alternatively I wrote a really simple implementation a while back, can dig it out if you’d like…

3Jane16:09:49

I have not

3Jane16:09:56

another option is just pure html

folcon16:09:20

Yea, that’s really similar to what I did, just track state, have buttons for actions and then go nuts =)…

3Jane16:09:35

see, not even actions

folcon16:09:46

Actually if you want to do CYOA and storytelling together there’s something for that too!

3Jane16:09:11

what I'd like to do is show people the highs and lows of project management / software engineering (I told you, teaching project)

3Jane16:09:45

so things like, do you spend time on tests? do you go with new or old tech? whatnot

3Jane16:09:10

probably needs more input into actual text written than the engine. and definitely needs a paragraph to even describe an option.

3Jane16:09:36

(which is what makes something like inform not a good option, where the fun is in figuring out commands)

folcon16:09:46

Hmm, that’s interesting

folcon16:09:58

If you’re running a talk or workshop, happy to attend!

3Jane16:09:24

You know how people say this stuff is only learned in real life, through an apprenticeship. Maybe that'd be at least a taster.

3Jane16:09:48

Will definitely show you if I ever manage to get it together 😄

folcon16:09:40

I don’t really, not regularly… It however is useful now and again…

seancorfield16:09:43

We have an LG Smart TV -- but the web browser is really awful to use. We watch KQED (local public television) via their web site with it occasionally because we like some of their shows. And very, very rarely I cast from my laptop to the TV for some stuff. Mostly we just use the apps on the TV (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon).

folcon16:09:20

Is the browser a standard one? Or some custom mash?

dominicm16:09:31

it's almost certainly built on webkit

folcon16:09:56

For example, I’ve been trying to do some testing with the ps3 browser, and for whatever reason I can’t seem to display anything other than raw html and really basic js…

seancorfield16:09:59

It's a cartoonish app that comes with the TV -- I haven't checked the user agent to see what it's based on (good idea -- I should try to remember that).

folcon16:09:37

It doesn’t help that I can’t access the js console to see if there’s an error 😞

seancorfield16:09:40

But it renders KQED's web site just fine, including CSS popovers etc and it renders video on their web site just fine.

folcon16:09:51

That is intriguing…

seancorfield16:09:09

(If we could connect a regular mouse/keyboard to the TV, it would aid usability a lot!)

dharrigan16:09:37

IMHO so-called smart TVs are a solution looking for a problem. A TV is a TV - if I want it to do more, I'll use my 'puter.

dharrigan16:09:25

And given that they (being the powers-that-be) are pushing ads into smart tv's that you can't turn off, then no thank you sirrreeee

dharrigan16:09:09

I'm like above, I have a okay tv, with an appletv hooked up to it, running plex and iplayer.

dharrigan16:09:12

covers all I need

dominicm16:09:02

I got a smart tv because it was much cheaper

Ben Hammond08:09:29

you don't have to give it your wifi password

Ben Hammond08:09:39

or does it refuse to work until you do?

dominicm08:09:41

I don't 🙂

dominicm08:09:17

If mine has ads (which it probably does) I've never seen them

seancorfield16:09:49

Our Smart TV was $400 and it's a 42" Ultra HD screen. Our computers are in another room (the office).

folcon17:09:30

@dharrigan I was of that opinion, but I’m tentatively changing my mind…

folcon17:09:09

The ads thing is annoying though…

dharrigan17:09:25

Oh, I don't mind buying a smart tv, it's probably all you can buy now, but I don't connect it to my network.

dharrigan17:09:41

I turn off the wireless/don't plug in a lan cable.

folcon17:09:22

Fair point

folcon17:09:41

I suppose there’s little point interacting with it if it doesn’t gain you something, like a built in netflix client…

dominicm18:09:31

I just got more cryptocurrency spam, from a different cryptocoin, on keybase

dominicm18:09:31

http://minepi.com, apparently a coin you mine on your phone

dharrigan20:09:43

looks like keybase is diversifying...