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2019-01-16
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dominicm08:01:32

I'm a bit clueless, what is the effect of the vote?

otfrom08:01:59

May's deal rejected.

otfrom09:01:17

tho she can bring it back in 3 days (tho she only has 3 days rather that 14 as normal)

otfrom09:01:27

default is still to crash out on no deal

otfrom09:01:15

there is a vote of no confidence in the gov't today which would mean that parliament would have 14 days to form a new government or have a general election if the gov't loses that vote today, it looks like they won't lose it though

otfrom09:01:20

so all a bit up in the air

jasonbell09:01:58

Looks like as many tricks to play for time as possible.

jasonbell09:01:23

No conf vote probably won’t get through.

maleghast09:01:04

What a f***ing shambles

jasonbell09:01:56

Kind of expected though, just not to that degree.

maleghast09:01:58

I say @otfrom for Benificent Dictator for life, as long as he revokes Article50 and empowers the Scottish Parliament to raise taxes.

thomas11:01:49

I'd vote for that @maleghast

jasonbell11:01:40

Store all the votes on MySQL 😉

rickmoynihan11:01:14

so who thinks a 2nd ref is on the cards?

3Jane11:01:10

ohyesplease

3Jane11:01:35

(I’m not hopeful though; currently it looks mostly like a game of “can we get to a state where we crash out and nobody can be held responsible”)

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jasonbell11:01:41

I’d say a 10% chance of that happening.

Conor11:01:16

My personal theory is that this country is just continuing its tradition of inventing things other countries are better at (viz. cricket and now politics)

3Jane11:01:00

cricket ❤️ XD

3Jane11:01:16

a politics-level “not invented here” syndrome? 😄

alexlynham11:01:33

we don't have time for a second ref

rickmoynihan11:01:06

would need extensions etc

practicalli-john17:01:29

they are already talking about a 4 month extension, if the UK government takes a softer position on leaving.

alexlynham11:01:38

would need legislation

alexlynham11:01:54

and given how comical politics is, I'd put money on leave winning again

rickmoynihan11:01:47

That’s my fear. I even know remainers who say they’d reluctantly probably vote to leave — because of the will of the people. I find that argument to swallow though. It’s not like if remain won the brexiters wouldn’t carry on campaigning and not push for a 2nd ref… e.g. SNP/indyref2.

3Jane11:01:57

> because of the will of the people.

3Jane11:01:00

that’s what’s worrying me

3Jane11:01:18

I think leave is not necessarily the winning option, but the perception has been created that it is

3Jane11:01:36

and now the effect of not wanting to stand out / going with the expected majority kicks in

rickmoynihan11:01:29

yeah I also hate how people say a 2nd ref would divide the country… But by definition you can only get 4% more divided than we already are!

3Jane11:01:36

I read about social networks recently (not as in Facebook, but as in sociology), and iirc it’s enough for 30% of nodes to be strongly for an option for everyone else in the network to feel that it’s the majority opinion

3Jane11:01:08

Who media gives screen time is responsible for a LOT of this. They’ve been promoting people who are entertainingly controversial (eg Farage) and in the process they normalised it.

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otfrom13:01:07

saying the "will of the people" is fixed only really applies if you like their last decision. 🙂

alexlynham11:01:08

it's gonna be no deal babyyyyy

rickmoynihan11:01:24

Well at least the vote last night was slightly reassuring in that showed all the talk of “no deal being a viable option”, was predominantly just a threat to make people vote for the deal. So the question now seems to be whether there is another deal (hard to believe there is — unless there’s a last minute emergency/crisis/concession deal — but again hard to believe there will be enough concessions), and how parliament resolves the irreconcilable position of “no deal is worse than anything, but we must deliver on brexit”. So you’d imagine the only option is another referendum — politically it might be hard to support, until at least they’ve exhausted all other options (e.g. labour/election etc) but it’s probably better than pushing us all over the cliff because it’s the default.

jasonbell11:01:53

A50 extension the most likely…. not that there’s much to negotiate now. That’s basically been said. And UK basically being made the example to any of the other 27 that might even float the notion of leaving.

jasonbell11:01:40

The thought of going back to the public for Ref#2 won’t float, from what’s previously been said.

jasonbell11:01:11

Vote of no conf, won’t happen. So it’ll be all back to shrugging shoulders, and confused looks by 9pm.

rickmoynihan11:01:10

> The thought of going back to the public for Ref#2 won’t float, But what does float? I hear :poop: does, perhaps we can vote for that instead?

jasonbell12:01:01

Well getting rid of the minority vote needing part of the government that can’t even govern the bit it’s supposed to (the whole NI thing is another conversation entirely), I don’t actually know what else would float.

jasonbell12:01:43

Difficult to nullify Ref#1 based on VoteLeave over spend and rule breaking.

jasonbell12:01:00

We could get Cameron back and tell him to sort it, build a time machine or something 🙂

rickmoynihan12:01:14

this is my point though… if no options float - they should pick the most buoyant — that might be ref#2

rickmoynihan12:01:12

I think the problem is inertia though… it will be denied for so long that it becomes less viable.

jasonbell12:01:35

@rickmoynihan If you look at betting exchanges as a guide (not perfect by any means but there is skin in the game at least) then 60% betting on no second ref, 94% bet that there’s no chance of a no-deal brexit.

rickmoynihan12:01:24

interesting… but they’re non ME(CE) categories as no chance of a no-deal brexit includes having a 2nd ref etc.

maleghast12:01:43

I hope that they are right - I am not being alarmist when I say that a no-deal Brexit will be an unmitigated calamity

otfrom13:01:55

my preference: Parliament rescinds Article 50 (no EU agreement needed). If anyone wants brexit - get a party that has it as their platform and vote them in.

otfrom13:01:31

@alicemonade you chose a great day to join. We might get around to talking clojure, but we're pretty off topic here. 😄

Pipo13:01:26

ahah no worries

otfrom13:01:08

are all the emacs users upgraded to CIDER 0.20?

rickmoynihan13:01:26

0.20? When did that happen… I upgraded to 0.19 over xmas!

rickmoynihan13:01:57

Is there a big reason to upgrade? 0.19 has been good to me so far…

Henry13:01:47

yryr good

Henry13:01:48

whats clojure

Ben Hammond14:01:54

the thing that is bothering me is the quote 'there is no majority for a no-deal Brexit` which seems to be completely missing the point

Ben Hammond14:01:25

that since there's no majority for anything else either

Ben Hammond14:01:36

then 'no deal ' is what we are getting

benedek15:01:26

afaiu cider 0.20 is fixing stuff around pretty printing

alexlynham16:01:05

PSA: the tron theme for emacs is ace

alexlynham16:01:19

I'd upload a screenshot but slack so

seancorfield17:01:51

@alex.lynham You can upload the image here -- Slack will complain, but it will still take it and show it to everyone 🙂

alexlynham18:01:45

@carr0t I don't think it was that one but it was def similar

rickmoynihan19:01:57

> UK Prime Minister Theresa May has seen off a bid to remove her government from power, winning a no confidence vote by 325 to 306. Seems closer than expected. Maybe not, it’s a minority government.

jonpither19:01:28

The dup was worth every penny

dominicm19:01:42

So what happens now?

rickmoynihan19:01:27

yers… 100 billion pennies.

rickmoynihan20:01:08

Without the DUP they’d have lost by 1 vote.

seancorfield20:01:06

The DUP wouldn't have any power at all if May's government fell -- they voted against her deal but would never vote against the govt itself 😞

seancorfield20:01:38

(I am disappointed May won -- I was really hoping for an end to the madness!)

seancorfield20:01:01

And now we wait until "Plan B" on Monday I guess...

jonpither20:01:27

Can't see an end to the madness, election or not. Maybe no deal or a second ref is the only way out. For a second ref, would probably need a third..

dominicm21:01:08

That's way more interesting

mccraigmccraig21:01:08

'cos, while managing services on a cluster is nice, scaling the cluster itself is too hard ( looking at you terraform-dcos ), and the use of an overlay network makes it hard to access DC/OS managed services from outside of DC/OS

mccraigmccraig21:01:53

EKS seems to do a much better job, exposing k8s pods with regular elastic network interfaces, so they can be accessed like a service deployed straight on ec2

mccraigmccraig21:01:48

and you can define multiple pools of workers with EKS, each attached to its own scaling group, which gives you nice control of granularity