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dominicm06:10:06

What do we know of denmark?

dominicm06:10:37

I know nothing 🙂 And broad generalities are a good place to get started, but aren't often clear from wikipedia.

alexlynham07:10:00

going for a holiday?

dominicm07:10:08

Nope. Just curious

mccraigmccraig07:10:26

danish is really norwegian as spoken by a drowning person @dominicm 😬

dominicm07:10:02

@mccraigmccraig other than being an invader of Britain, I don't know much about Norway either. Interesting to know that they have heavy overlap though 😁

mccraigmccraig07:10:33

other than that i know very little of denmark

yogidevbear07:10:46

Isn't it pretty flat? 🙂

thomas08:10:21

Lego comes from Denmark and that makes it a very good place IMHO.

yogidevbear08:10:33

So what you're saying is you've gone home to you roots?

Rachel Westmacott08:10:46

Hamlet came from Denmark

jasonbell08:10:36

Bacon comes from Denmark (someone had to say it)

maleghast08:10:11

Denmark is a place where there are no laws or criminal offences about public nudity.

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maleghast08:10:10

@jasonbell Is technically correct, but in my in no way humble opinion Danish bacon cannot even hold the dimmest of candles to organic bacon I get up in Scotland. saltire

maleghast08:10:23

Morning Everyone

jasonbell08:10:29

@maleghast Don't worry, I'm under no illusion.

Ben Hammond09:10:26

I hear their animal welfare is atrocious

Ben Hammond09:10:34

oh Danish Krone is a thing; they have not joined the Euro

maleghast09:10:56

Pickled Herring

maleghast09:10:10

Hans Christian Andersen

mccraigmccraig09:10:19

pickled fish of any sort is atrocious for sure

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maleghast09:10:30

Nordic Noir (The Killing, The Bridge, Borgen etc.)

Ben Hammond09:10:39

I once withdrew ten ttimes more money than expected from a cash machine at Copenhagen airport because of the wierd way they quote their foreig exchange

Ben Hammond09:10:05

got a funny feeling pressinng the bottom left button on the cash machine

Ben Hammond09:10:05

hosts https://gr8conf.eu/ annually, should you ever get into Groovy

Ben Hammond09:10:43

'Danish Open Sandwich` is that still a thing?

Ben Hammond09:10:49

Danish pastries probably are

Ben Hammond09:10:41

Danelaw in England, obvs

Ben Hammond09:10:14

once you pay the danegelt you never get rid of the Dane

Ben Hammond09:10:48

not to mention the Scooby Doo dogs

yogidevbear09:10:51

Mads Mikkelsen

maleghast09:10:44

Danish Pastries are so NOT Danish

Ben Hammond09:10:59

Olaf Peterson from Red Dwarf

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maleghast09:10:09

Sandi Togsvig - although the Danish woman that I know up in Scotland, who is a Trustee of our local Area Trust (think Parish Council, but not tied to a church) tells me that Sandi Togsvig is NOT Danish (having been in England a LOT longer than she was ever in Denmark)

Ben Hammond09:10:12

Haha my wife left the village she was born in in 1987 and is still considered a local

Ben Hammond09:10:28

folk who moved there shortly afterwards are not

Ben Hammond09:10:48

identity is a strange and slippery concept

Ben Hammond09:10:13

My brother has llived in the US since 1993 but still considers himself british

Ben Hammond09:10:59

oh there was a clojure project recruiting in Copenhagen last year wasn't there

3Jane09:10:03

Most of the Danish population lives in Copenhagen

Ben Hammond09:10:07

I quoted them an expensive daily rate and they got the hump

Ben Hammond09:10:53

February 2017 Big public customer in Copenhagen Clojure/Datomic/Cassandra, 1 year contract anyone know who/what that was

Ben Hammond09:10:07

I didn't really fancy the commute

3Jane09:10:10

Re locality, isn’t this something about shared cultural/childhood memories? Like when people bind strongly to others in childhood as friends, but then as an adult it’s pretty much impossible to start deep friendships because all the social slots are taken

mccraigmccraig10:10:27

when i moved to norway a long time ago an american guy who worked for the same company i did (sun micro) described norwegians as "leaving university with a group of 5 close friends who they keep for life, and only having room for new close friends if one of the old ones dies"

Ben Hammond09:10:06

ha yes. My country is the cartoons that I watched as a kid

3Jane09:10:08

In this way the “local” slots have been taken already for the older locals, but for the younger generation the new person will become a local

Ben Hammond09:10:15

which work when you belong to the younger generation but not the older

Ben Hammond09:10:35

oooh its a mexican wave

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agile_geek11:10:14

Bore da pawb welsh_flag

guy11:10:41

Has anyone tried having multiple config files with Aero before?

guy11:10:51

and then including one from another

guy11:10:13

nvm figured it out!

guy11:10:12

https://github.com/juxt/aero#include A classic read the manual error 😅

maleghast11:10:45

@guy - I am SO GLAD that it's not just me that has those.

thomas12:10:14

can I just say that using , (comma's) as white space is such a little detail of Clojure that makes things so much easier!

Rachel Westmacott13:10:24

yes,you,can,say,that!

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practicalli-johnny14:10:00

1212 members on London Clojurians meetup site, yay

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Ben Hammond15:10:04

what timezone are you in?

Ben Hammond15:10:00

BTW Glasgow Meetup next Wednesday

cddr20:10:17

Thanks for mentioning it. See you there.

otfrom15:10:23

I've really got to sort out actually being in Scotland rather than London when those are on.

thomas15:10:01

In here we are all in UGT!

thomas15:10:15

best thing since sliced bread ™️

Ben Hammond15:10:59

(bean (TimeZone/getTimeZone "UGT"))
=>
{:DSTSavings 0,
 :ID "GMT",
 :class sun.util.calendar.ZoneInfo,
 :dirty false,
 :displayName "Greenwich Mean Time",
 :lastRuleInstance nil,
 :rawOffset 0}

Ben Hammond15:10:05

I never heard of itt before

Ben Hammond15:10:10

but it does work

Conor15:10:49

if (tz == null) {
tz = parseCustomTimeZone(ID);
if (tz == null && fallback) {
    tz = new ZoneInfo(GMT_ID, 0);
}

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maleghast15:10:40

@ben.hammond - I am going to be in Scotland, but sadly unable to make the Glasgow meetup as I am going to be lone-parenting during the middle of the week.

maleghast15:10:06

I am signed up to the Meetup on http://meetup.com, however and I am going to make it to some of them moving forward...

Ben Hammond15:10:28

so I don't feel bad about not knowing

practicalli-johnny15:10:06

Would a talk about hiring developers be a relavant topic for our ClojureX conference. There have been a lot of questions in this channel recently. Thoughts?

practicalli-johnny15:10:54

Just wondering if one tangential topic adds or detracts from the conference

Ben Hammond15:10:33

How many attendees work in Clojure full time? How many would like to? How many are hiring managers?

practicalli-johnny16:10:23

Over 85% of the audience at last year's conference were using Clojure at work. It seemed everyone else wanted to. When you are in small teams, which most Clojure shops are, then you are (or should be) involved in hiring in a meaningful way. I would be weary of leaving such an impactful decision only to a hiring manager (even if the hiring manager was someone wonderful like @otfrom).

Ben Hammond15:10:55

might be the wrong target audience...?

otfrom15:10:52

@jr0cket I think that would be a good talk

otfrom15:10:28

well, "full time" on clojure is tricky as I'm CTO, but most of the code that I write is clojure or bash. 😉

otfrom15:10:36

and I'm a clojure hiring manager

Ben Hammond15:10:29

all I mean is that if most attendees are frustrated java devs who would dearly love to get hired to do clojure fulll time

Ben Hammond16:10:03

a talk on 'how to hire the people in this room' might be a little meta

Ben Hammond16:10:31

conducting a job interview is one of those watershed life moments

Ben Hammond16:10:36

you are never the same afterwards

Ben Hammond16:10:56

where did the name 'Mastodon C' come from?

Ben Hammond16:10:12

is it a 'Secret Water' reference?

practicalli-johnny16:10:23

Over 85% of the audience at last year's conference were using Clojure at work. It seemed everyone else wanted to. When you are in small teams, which most Clojure shops are, then you are (or should be) involved in hiring in a meaningful way. I would be weary of leaving such an impactful decision only to a hiring manager (even if the hiring manager was someone wonderful like @otfrom).

Ben Hammond16:10:37

then it sounds like a good talk

Ben Hammond16:10:58

that could trigger some strong audience opinions

Ben Hammond16:10:32

put it in the just-after-lunch everyone needs to wake up slot

practicalli-johnny16:10:00

It is just an idea at this stage, no guarantee we will find a good speaker on this subject, just wanted to know how well it would be received before putting all the work in.

otfrom17:10:13

@jr0cket aww... you say the nicest things. 😉 ❤️

otfrom17:10:49

@ben.hammond Mastodon is a hadoop pun and C stands for Carbon Cloud Computing Control Console

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alexlynham17:10:52

I'd recommend a guided conversation on hiring. I went to one at codecraft and it was ace

alexlynham17:10:17

(I ran one/two on FP later in the day which was fun)

alexlynham18:10:14

But that would mean it's not just one person talking at a crowd, you've instead got 15-20 people constructively engaging with the topic and sharing