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dominicm05:07:17

Sjl is great

dominicm06:07:42

How's it going 🙂

yogidevbear06:07:03

ƃuıuɹoɯ pooƃ

yogidevbear06:07:44

¿ǝsɐǝld ¿ı uɐɔ ˙˙˙pǝq oʇ ʞɔɐq ƃuıoƃ ǝʞıl lǝǝɟ ı

dominicm06:07:31

the amount of effort that must have taken indicates strongly that you're awake 😄

yogidevbear07:07:38

Unfortanately, yes... The "little" dog woke the little human who proceeded to wake moi around 6am. I wouldn't usually mind too much, but I've caught the sickness bug from my better half and I'm feeling a little worse for wear

yogidevbear07:07:36

On the plus side, I found the source of an issue I was seeing... Some missing fields from the schema.edn file 🙂

yogidevbear07:07:02

Time to get ready for the school run

mccraigmccraig07:07:35

(lol, it coudn't do the accented characters upside down)

mccraigmccraig07:07:09

ɹǝʇʇǝq s,ʇɐɥʇ 'ǝɹǝɥʇ

thomas07:07:47

I feel topsy turvy right now....

thomas07:07:58

and thus I also want to go back to bed.

thomas07:07:04

mogge btw.

thomas07:07:18

@otfrom you can come... we have a special process for hug masters. yeshugs

otfrom07:07:53

@thomas "special process" given recent political events that just sounds scary

thomas08:07:14

Thing is @otfrom, if I tell you what the 'special' process is...

agile_geek08:07:48

@thomas is that like ‘special sauce’?

thomas08:07:22

can't tell.. .but it might involve smoking something 😉

guy08:07:51

Morning!

yogidevbear08:07:19

And with that... @guy was summoned troll

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yogidevbear08:07:06

Never trust a real life sized lego man

guy08:07:35

what i miss?

yogidevbear09:07:06

I see you were doing some late night reading @lady3janepl

yogidevbear09:07:24

I've still got the article open in a tab somewhere to read through later

3Jane09:07:06

yeah… I’m not sure what happened there 😄 I was going through a complicated git rebase -i and then I suddenly find myself on hacker news, it’s after midnight and I’m reading about how to document your library

3Jane09:07:32

it’s like wikipedia effect

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3Jane09:07:46

documentation in general is often dismissed by programmers, but to me the subject of how to write good docs is fascinating because it’s about hacking human brains

3Jane09:07:23

infecting them with your chosen meme, as it were, at the risk of sounding like a late90s teenage arsehole on the internet

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Ben Hammond09:07:26

this is an area that often conflicts with political correctness

Ben Hammond09:07:32

I'd rather plant a gross thought into someone's mind to illustrate an abstract concept 'cos at least that way the audience are more likely to remember it

Ben Hammond09:07:49

tricky balance though; you can make yourrself unpopular really quickly

3Jane09:07:55

eurgh, don’t use that expression

3Jane09:07:32

it’s like the first step into godwinning a discussion due to negative emotional charge

3Jane09:07:44

no, political correctness

3Jane09:07:27

You have a point in that people remembering gross/unpleasant things more easily

Ben Hammond09:07:40

interesting in how it illustrates the multiple layers of human communications

Ben Hammond09:07:00

the worst is to be dull

Ben Hammond09:07:11

when trying to explain abstract stuff

3Jane09:07:47

but it’s hard to judge for universal sensibility unfortunately.

3Jane09:07:07

http://www.kanjidamage.com is a great example, I used it to learn kanji but there are people who find it too crude.

3Jane09:07:44

Cultural differences - you can’t speak the same language to everyone. Even when you do technically use the same language (English)

Ben Hammond09:07:29

I once worked in Switzerland in a bank with many nationalitites

Ben Hammond09:07:01

listening to a native Italian speaker trying to explain something to a native German speaker in English was a real eye opener

Ben Hammond09:07:41

as a native English speaker I had an interesting vantage point to watch their miscommunications

3Jane09:07:03

what were the stumbling points?

Ben Hammond09:07:29

wrongly inferred emotion mostly

Ben Hammond09:07:07

different choices of words understood as aggression and/or defensiveness

Ben Hammond09:07:19

which did not seem to me to be intended

3Jane09:07:19

oh yeah, that’s hard as well

3Jane09:07:45

words in English can have a different emotional charge than in the original language, so translation doesn’t always work.

thomas10:07:16

I used to work with a team in Israel... very interesting.

thomas10:07:16

then we were told the Israelly team would start working with a team in China.

3Jane10:07:47

A friend reported working for a company with mixed German/UK offices. UK employees felt their German managers were too bossy and direct. German employees never did what their UK managers asked them to do, because they thought these were only suggestions, not instructions.

thomas10:07:01

I would have loved to have seen/hear those conversations.

thomas10:07:50

I once heard the story of some one asking a team in India if they could do something by the end of next week.

thomas10:07:03

the end of the week came... end went...

3Jane10:07:24

ohhh. if they could, not if they would.

3Jane10:07:49

“Can I ask you a question?” “Sure, you can ask

Ben Hammond10:07:51

excessive politeness can be a real problem

thomas10:07:46

yup... they could do it by the end of the week.

Ben Hammond11:07:21

"Can I ask you a question?" "You just did"

maleghast09:07:23

Morning everyone 🙂

alexlynham13:07:51

@lady3janepl btw that article is brilliant

alexlynham13:07:59

it should be bound and put on bookshelves

3Jane13:07:28

“The best of internet”

alexlynham14:07:07

Now That's What I Call Internet 44

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practicalli-johnny14:07:22

If anyone is looking for a Clojure contract role in central London feel free to ping me directly (It's not for the company I work at)

xianralph16:07:43

that for me by any chance? 😉

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practicalli-johnny18:07:22

Nope, but I guess we know that you are looking for one now ;)

alexlynham21:07:25

I assume the start date is asap?

practicalli-johnny13:07:43

@U79NZHC6A the company is hiring up to 10 contractors over time, so opportunities for a while. It is a startup, so speed of hiring will be dependent on growth of business

alexlynham13:07:04

oh cool! any chance they’d entertain remote? I’m in Manchester so coming down every day would be a stretch. Probs gonna be taking on some contract stuff in Sept or so when my current project ends

practicalli-johnny20:07:26

Its not clear how remote friendly they are. I assume they want people located in the same place at least most of the time. James Dryden posted some more details in the #jobs channel

alexlynham20:07:26

ahhh right I see

alexlynham20:07:38

well, I might drop him an email in any case

alexlynham21:07:47

in fact, the more I think about that article, the more it applies to stuff in clojure land like nrepl, like the stuff I’ve been playing around with recently where in lieu of good docs often you only get to know something via the head-bang-wall feedback loop

alexlynham22:07:14

I find that I have to dig in source code a lot more in clj than I do in ruby or python for example

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