morning o/

Morning 🙂

Almost forgot you all there

o/

Anyone going to ODSC or Codemotion? (Or has anyone been in previous years?)

morning...

morning

@lady3janepl not even heard of it.

maanmaan

but there are loads of things I've not heard of. Is it a good conf (or supposed to be?)

I’ll let you know when I find out more :) I found out about them because they have diversity initiatives

that is at least a good sign. 🙂

ODSC seems to be half R, half Python, I’m interested in the Python half. Codemotion seems to have a mix of all things, and they’re in CFP now, I was wondering whether to submit a proposal

But the 2017 talks were interesting looking at their website, plus it’s always nice to visit Berlin XD

@lady3janepl are you pythoning at the mo then?

oh, related to the serverless stuff - a quick way of getting a repl-based workflow outside of cljs is this, which worked quite well for a proof-of-concept (until people got antsy and I had to switch to python over ES6) https://the-frey.github.io/2018/05/30/live-code-js-lambdas-with-scratches

Morning!

@alex.lynham I’m a weird mix of backend and data - mostly PHP, SQL/adhoc DBA, GraphQL. I touch on Python pipelines often and frontend every now and again. I need to find a way to call it something because “I’m a weird mix” doesn’t brand well. I’m bored with backend, Python and data engineering seems like a way to build on that without losing momentum. So the ODSC would be a research expedition :D

(Went to Strata last year and that didn’t work at all)

Morning

> I need to find a way to call it something because “I’m a weird mix” doesn’t brand well. That sounds like my problem too 🙂

I guess we gotta start a unicorn club

I feel my experience is more like Katamari Damacy than being a unicorn

Bore da

@alex.lynham "Weird" is a perfectly fine label, done me well for years. 🙂

o/

@jasonbell I keep typing jsonbell, then it doesn't match yr username and I have to work out why for a sec

but yeah, weird is fine, I do find that people that don't know me don't really get what I do/can do based on CV or what have you.

I prefer to use ednbell instead of jsonbell. 😱

or TransitBell.

cough Jade Bell cough

Well that didn't take long.

Mwahaha! The Howe-Jones curse strikes again!

@alex.lynham when you are doing cljs/node/lambda stuff, how do you access various aws services? (s3, dynamo, kinesis, etc)?

there is always https://aws.amazon.com/sdk-for-node-js/ @otfrom

@mccraigmccraig thx!

(i've not actually used it yet... just had it filed away in the back of my head should i need to)

@otfrom depending on what & where

at work it's a lot of IAM/console to spike things and then terraform with the platform lot

for my stuff, it's the aws JS sdk

bc clojurescript

but I've been playing around with hosting resources on the blockchain so we'll see how that goes

suspect I'll end up back on S3, haha

Morning All

morning!

um. good afternoon

@maleghast are you planning to go to the Glasgow meetup on Wednesday evening?

if you can tear yourself away from the futba

I'm psyching myself up to emerge from my WFH cave

@ben.hammond - I would ❤️ to be there, but I am in London until Thurs evening... 😞

Also, Clojure > Football 😉

(not a tough equation for me)

hehe

I arrive in London from Dundee at around 5PM. I hope I can find shelter before everything kicks off

@otfrom Tonight?

on Wednesday (so that was supposed to be in relation to the Glasgow meetup)

Oh I see - yes of course, sorry

FYI Boris has resigned.

(not that I have been following the news all day)

lolwut?

it would depress me if that ended up with him becoming pm

and they all fall down

as well as being a godsend for the snp

how many General Elections do you predict over the next 10 years?

one every year?

perhaps interleaved with referenda

I think we'll have a GE, then a people's vote, then it will go leave again, and the gov will collapse, so we'll have a GE, then a fire sale

you're probably not wrong

that is the scary part.

the libdems are even a bit both ways on the leaving bit. Are the greens the only party in England that are definitely remain?

(I know the SNP in Scotland are remain)

I thought libdems are remain....

con and lab are both leave

yes, that is my understanding as well

libdems seem remain and then say something about "respecting the result..."

perhaps we can sell them all data science services

aaah yes the result.

forgot about that.

https://www.libdems.org.uk/europe-policy

that sort of says remain? ^^

@ben.hammond that sounds like a good(?) idea?

anyone got any good clojure twitter bot armies ready to go?

we certainly could do with a political centre party

we could do with splitting the issue of being in EU with the issue of “a lot of people are suffering and need change, and no party wants to address that, so they have no other way to express it than EU referendum”

and this is the SNP position: https://www.snp.org/what_is_the_snp_plan_for_brexit

I'd be happy with a left wing remain party (there are plenty of left wing remainers)

they have to tread quite carefully, alot of their base are not very pro europe

@ben.hammond the SNP base?

I believe so

as is the way when you have a big, geographically disparate country

true, but strangely they are leading very strongly on remain

with alot of different waves of migration

(lots of dislike to for the fisheries policy)

and they are very pro-free movement (and pro broader immigration too)

the fisherman angle is the one that I can feel alot of sympathy for

yeah Scotland definitely needs the workers

I can too, but Westminster has seen that as an easy sacrifice for the things they want

easy sacrifice being fishing

Thank goodness Labour didn't get in back in 2015, or we'd have had that Chaos With Ed Miliband that david cameron warned us about

yes, strong and stable. I'd vote for that!

its depressing to see how important personal charisma is

let me be absolutely clear

did anyone go short on the pound today: https://twitter.com/ArmitageJim/status/1016325770921365504/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1016325770921365504&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2018%2Fjul%2F09%2Fdavid-davis-resigns-as-brexit-secretary-live-updates

😬

dropping on the event rather than the rumour? That is a poor reaction from the market

I expected more from them

so… is there any way to not get screwed on savings?

spend it before you get it

nope.... @lady3janepl

buy a lot of shares of something American?

or European

hmmm I think that is quite risky

given their relatioship with china

depends on where you are planning on spending it

Greek bonds anyone?

put the money in assets in the place you are planning on spending it and it should not (edit) be too bad

if the forex risk is the one you want to avoid

trouble being I might be moving next year but don’t know where

(tho obviously in a country with lots of imports inflation is a problem with currency downturn like this)

I'm guessing you meant "shouldn't be too bad" @otfrom

no kidding but buy some crypto

if no hard brexit, you'll be a few k a year better off

if hard brexit everything will collapse and there will be a rush on bitcoin/litecoin/eth

money based scams work well in a climate of high uncertainty

(sorry my worldview is so jaded)

dude crypto tanked so badly this year though 😞 it’s like gambling

but you’re right in that it’s a good bet in times of high uncertainty

and… you’re right to be jaded tbh

it tanked to badly it can only go up again!

XD

it tanked but I've still doubled my money in a year

o.O

know what I got on my savings? 0.5%

yeah

what do you use for trading crypto?

a bit of kraken, a bit of poloniex

I remember people complaining about it taking a long time to transfer funds

yup

I heard someone say to invest in Amazon shares back when the share price was around $800

but I'm not doing like, HFT or anything

It doubled within about a year

zactly

problem is I don't particular like Amazon as a company TBH

Not disagreeing with you there

Jeff B is a special individual

so investing in it (even though the money I'd spend on it would end up with AZ)

yes. I don't think I'd like working for him.

then again.. I owned a few apple shares 10 years ago... and Steve J wasn't a nice person either

so I probable can't complain that much

yeah, don’t invest money based on morals

investment is immoral anyway ¯\(ツ)/¯

and the only reason I had big blue shares was that I could get them cheaply as an employee... but sold them all a few years ago

amazon is an interesting bet since they’re good at diversifying imo

after this brexit chat we should talk about emacs config. That would be our traditional routine. We've been talking way too much clojure lately.

I do support you @otfrom...

thx @thomas

but I have to go now as well.. catch a 🚋

😉

take care

ttfn

@thomas do you think NL will let me claim my ancestry that goes back to the 1600s?

Only if you're a vim supporter (ducks)

so how's that emacs config coming along?

mine's kind of like the picture of dorian gray

@yogidevbear I support vim. <irony>Without vim users I'd have so few people to feel superior too.</irony>

@alex.lynham it has been too long since I've pushed my wip really

my vim config beats your emacs config

my emacs got a big spruce up when I started here and had to get it working on a new work laptop

aaaaaaand in the last year it's probably rotted a lot since I've gone from 35 hrs of clj a week to like, maybe 10?

life is too short. just use prelude or spacemacs already

I wrote mine over the weekend.

Where's an atom-io emoji when you need one

🐢 found one :B

Atom, A Terrabyte Of Memory (credits to Malcolm Sparks)

a wrinkle in RAM

@dominicm fight me. 😉 https://github.com/otfrom/otfrom-org-emacs

(really interested in seeing your vim config tbh)

> clojure support with cider I won't have this feature 😞 > Using multiple elpa package archives Or that.

😉

@mccraigmccraig I've tried prelude. It was cool, but waaaaay too much for me to get my head around to configure how I liked

this is actually a slightly smaller emacs config than I've had before

@otfrom in NL we don’t care, as long as you have money.

@borkdude that is more or less true anywhere, unless the gov't takes to not liking you specifically (UK gov't has been a bit like that lately, but generally it is easy to come here on a OMG£££ visa)

how much money does NL require?

I think UK is something like £5 million

I don’t know. You can become a Dutch citizen if you have lived here legally for 5 years

I just looked it up: https://www.government.nl/topics/dutch-nationality/becoming-a-dutch-national

Another link: https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/official-issues/dutch-citizenship

@otfrom I wouldn't know where to start comparing in earnest.

oh god, are you sending this from emacs right now?

I have removed rainbow parens, I didn't find them actually useful outside of HTML

@otfrom what on earth is "upcasing and downcasing"? Just vim's ~ or g~? https://neovim.io/doc/user/change.html#~

sounds like it (tho my vim foo isn't great. the doc looks right)

no .vimrc for you?

My published one is very out of date. I'm going to publish a new one very soon.

https://gist.github.com/SevereOverfl0w/121b163cedada964e6a04eea61ff973d published as a gist for now 🙂

Just for conversational purposes.

It's a shame that github doesn't support folding markers

@otfrom why is hippie expand a thing? Shouldn't it just be another source to company mode?

my config is basically emacs starter kit with better styles, fonts and some additional packages https://github.com/the-frey/emacs

plus I nicked an fn from rick that splits your screen into 3 so you can have three vertical columns on a big screen with a repl underneath

chefs_kiss.gif

@alex.lynham how does that function work, you mean it automatically lays out your windows like that? 😄

(defun split-3-windows-horizontally-evenly ()
  (interactive)
  (command-execute 'split-window-horizontally)
  (command-execute 'split-window-horizontally)
  (command-execute 'balance-windows)
)

(global-set-key (kbd "C-x 4") 'split-3-windows-horizontally-evenly)

yeah it’s an even split of 3

so you split vertically in 2, then call that in the upper pane

then split the lower part and kill the upper part

I think I’m going to print multiple copies of this, gather them into a thick pile

and then use it to hit people over the head every time I see undocumented code

http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/

so. good.

(especially the wiki/lesson plan bit. yes please, teach how to use your library in a coherent way.)