That would be Unbritish and therefore Shall Not Be Done.

Would you also suggest he complain about his cold meal to the waiter when the latter comes around to ask if everything is fine? Heathenry!

It's not really an option, as we don't do retros. However, I doubt that I'd be brave enough if we did!

well, if you don't do retros at least you can console yourself that you aren't doing agile then. 😉

scrum ain’t the only variety of agile there is

and complaining isn't unbritish. It is just not a southern things to do. Loads of complaining in t'north and beyond. 😄

@U82DUDVMH true, but agile where you don't reflect on your practice isn't

thumps pulpit

(regardless of whether or not it is called a retro)

/me doesn't really like scrum and prefers xp and crystal

was gonna say, I was raised on xp and scrum feels like mini waterfall with corporate bullshit added

yeah, scrum is probably the most easily abused agile methodology. There are actually some good things there, but they are often crowded out by really bad practice

and being able to give feedback (on process or anything else) has nothing to do with agile - it’s a result of psychological safety.

People naturally suggest improvements to things that irk/slow them down when they’re not afraid of offending or being punished

and agile relies on psychological safety to work (people over process as the principles say).

I have one thing to say “Empowerment!” :fist:

yeah

I have a rant/article about people over process and current implementations of agile on the list of todo actually

ooh. I'd like to read that.

I hope it's not too inflammatory (or perhaps heretical) to say that I'm not a True Believer in the Agile way - at least in the implementations that I've experienced (although there's little in the Manifesto with which I would take issue). The feeling of psychological safety is important, however - and seemingly most frequently lacking.

I'm a big believer in the manifesto and not in most of the methods as practiced.

☝️

which is what I like about crystal as that talks about principles and suggests practices (other than retrospective shaped things, but not necessarily on a schedule)

(have not done crystal but will look it up)

I’ve noticed this most during schedule conflict between my team and the one we’ve been partly-assimilated to

if you have a team that actually talks to each other, you don’t need official standups, retros, backlog grooming etc

so (spoiling the article I guess) people are attempting to deploy scrum and process as antidotes to bad management and team composition.

but if team members don’t feel comfortable with raising issues, you won’t get them more comfortable with it by saying “retro meeting! we now mandate this space and time as safe to raise issues”. scrum process describes symptoms, not causes of good teamwork.

sometimes you can make those spaces safer by removing managers/scrum masters/etc

but yes, you can't just wave a wand and say "safe now!"

I do find that having the rituals scheduled (when team size is greater that 3) can mean that you don't forget to have those conversations. They can happen more often, but good to not have them too infrequently.

You can remove powerful members, but it’s recursive. Whoever has enough authority to remove the manager is going to be the same or greater level of threat as a manager.

(Which reminds me, I read a thread where a manager asked how to deal with a team that decided to be self-organising and fired him via the scrum master.)

I see managers as primarily social-issue-troubleshooters and providers of communication into the larger organisation. Well composed teams will manage their load and schedule well enough. The manager is there to make sure the team is well composed and pay attention to where conflicts arise. Most managers didn’t get the memo though.

Did you ever find people requesting unschedule conversations?

Re Crystal methods, have you ever used it to work on a research-type project where the release schedule is not clear (because it’s not a given that a problem can be solved at all, or solved in a given timebox)?

I think the managers should remove themselves (for at least some). We do that.

Liz Keogh has a good blog about safety checks

https://lizkeogh.com/2012/12/05/how-to-run-safety-checks/

I've found that having a SAD lamp to mash on at midday sun intensity helps

Total opposite for me today, feeling rotten 😞

Sorry to hear that 😞

its cool, i will keep drinking coffee till all the pain goes away 😂

Coffee: a cure for when you feel like crap. Also brown. Coincidence, or a case of like cures like? O.o

you have the beginnings of the rationale for a colour-based homeopathy competitor there @U82DUDVMH

Competitor to coffee? I would never do that XD

The sacred beverage must be worshipped.

Wow! Sorry, I asked you the question but then got sidetracked by work and have only now check this slack group. Was the cycle worth it?

Haha, just read the rest of the commentary after this comment. I'm very tired

def worth it... went over the downs to stanmer park and pootled around some of the trails there as fast as i dare :)

Nice :) the downs is really lovely

they are right on my doorstep... i’m doing well this year at making good use of that after a decade of failing miserably

Especially while it's not too muddy

Nice one!!

ah thats a shame, i find it useful to just pick and choice who u follow then u cater the experience for urself. For example i have a lot of gaming people i follow, that way brexit posts are never relevant 😂

can you just register etc?

yep, i did

:thumbsup:

mostly it just says that more-caffeine=more-alertness though, and doesn't seem to consider any possible downsides