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2018-06-04
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guy08:06:54

Morning!

guy08:06:01

Anyone else slowly dieing from hay fever?

thomas08:06:24

I have found cetirizine very effective.

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thomas08:06:48

and it is cheap, Asda sells it over the counter.

guy08:06:42

oh i thought you need a prescription for it?

thomas08:06:48

mind you... not 100% perfect, occasionally I get hay fever symptoms, but not sneezing all day long.

guy08:06:09

ohhh i see its available but its not required

guy08:06:18

need my to kick in 😞

jasonbell08:06:10

morning

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3Jane10:06:41

so… the github news. Where are you on the scale of “mission abort! … meh … yay!” ?

sundarj10:06:34

i've been using gitlab for a while now, so doesn't really bother me

dominicm10:06:17

@sundarj how would you compare gitlab's: - issue tracker - code review

sundarj10:06:40

haven't used either of those too heavily even on github, so couldn't say (sorry)

dominicm10:06:18

No problem 🙂

sundarj10:06:37

i will say that i already prefer gitlab to github though

dominicm10:06:44

Why so? 🙂

sundarj10:06:11

- i think the website's UI is better - more built-in, out of the box, and free: unlimited private repos, todo lists, milestones, ability to create both groups and repos, CI - option to self-host - open-source 😉

sundarj10:06:05

been dabbling in a project with a friend, and it was super nice to be able to just create a new group for the project without having to create a whole new account

sundarj10:06:01

giving my friend contrib access to the shared project was also very straightforward, though i've never done it on github, so couldn't say if it's straightforward there too

dominicm10:06:26

Group system on gitlab is pretty great, I'd forgotten that

sundarj10:06:26

i guess github also has project management-like things in it now, i'm still thinking about it like it was a year ago 😛

dominicm10:06:38

the project stuff in github sucks so bad

dominicm10:06:42

not even worth using imo

sundarj10:06:44

oh, well then

dominicm10:06:55

https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/group/subgroups/ subgroups are a neat feature... "JUXT" "JUXT / ClientA" ... interesting indeed

sundarj10:06:05

ooh, interesting

sundarj10:06:58

always nice when a feature like that is fully recursive, often recursion is neglected

sundarj10:06:22

a small thing, but i like that they're called 'merge requests' in gitlab; makes more sense to me :~)

flefik10:06:54

They're gonna skype it, as they do with all things they purchase. It'll be fine for 6 months then slowly get worse and worse

3Jane10:06:48

While my worries are similar to that ^, Skype was in a bad shape already before they bought it

dominicm10:06:37

I'm a bit annoyed that a few of my tools are tied to github now, e.g. vim-plug and ghq.

sundarj11:06:46

if it's the same side of Microsoft running GitHub as created VS Code, then it might be OK... if it's the corporate side then better arrange GitHub's funeral

sundarj11:06:00

VS Code, TypeScript, and Chakra are on GitHub, so at least they're dogfooding it

guy11:06:22

I dont think it will make github better really

sundarj11:06:52

oh i agree, but i'm not sure they're going to make it worse either

flefik11:06:05

from what i heard GH was in financial trouble, so in that sense it will make it better. i suppose the choice was no github or a github run by MS

guy11:06:57

interesting that does put a different perspective on it

guy14:06:12

at least the pictures cute!

3Jane14:06:21

ehhh

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3Jane14:06:42

part of that github blog reads like corporate marketing jargon

guy14:06:49

v typical really

3Jane14:06:01

I imagine they had to

3Jane14:06:18

that octocat sculpture looks like it’s facepalming XD

guy14:06:48

isnt it "the thinker" or whatever

3Jane14:06:12

I know, but in the context…

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guy14:06:25

I wonder how much $$$ the founders made :thinking_face:

guy14:06:53

No wonder they are smiling 😊

3Jane14:06:58

incidentally, interesting how “news” concentrates on financials, and “blog” doesn’t mention them

3Jane14:06:11

also interesting that they didn’t acquire them for money, but for Microsoft stock instead

guy14:06:19

:thinking_face:

guy14:06:27

Interesting

guy14:06:35

I wonder if that means they will still run it?

3Jane14:06:50

github people? They were struggling to find a CEO, so the new CEO is from Microsoft

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3Jane14:06:51

but I like the symbolism of this kind of stock exchange: instead of losing stock of the company you built, you gain more stable stock in the company to which you have been assimilated

3Jane14:06:01

as if they have been building a part of Microsoft from the very start

guy14:06:46

I've never been in that sort of situation obviously but i wonder how that works from a getting paid perspective

guy14:06:57

Do you just sell all the stock you get and move on with life

guy14:06:04

or do you just keep it and wait :thinking_face:

3Jane14:06:11

Microsoft stock? HODL

guy14:06:40

I guess if ur c suite level you wouldnt be worrying about money

guy14:06:00

I always imagined people would just sell, get cash and move on

guy14:06:09

thats probably why im not rich :thinking_face:

3Jane14:06:38

I’m the inverse of an expert, the only time I’ve been involved with a company being sold, the employees’ …internal shares? I can’t remember what that was now… got automatically sold

3Jane14:06:47

and you got some money

3Jane14:06:48

which I was happy about since I had recently broken a tooth and needed some unexpected expensive dental care. But that was a British small company, not a SV startup.

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3Jane14:06:41

Stock is basically Heisenberg savings. If you sell it, you still have to manage the money somehow, and transformations from one form to another generally cost money. On the strength of industry knowledge, Microsoft seems to be a good company to stick to: they have a consistent userbase from the office users, they diversified into gaming, and now they’re growing towards cloud. So they have a stable base, and a direction for future growth. Even though “putting your eggs into one basket” might not be a good option…. I’d be happy if someone just happened to give me some free M$ stock 😄

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guy14:06:41

Yeah i agree

guy14:06:24

But also if the stock u own is worth $$$$ millions then you still might want to diversify into other things. Or just do something completely different

guy14:06:38

but yeah

thomas14:06:17

@lady3janepl let me look behind the sofa and see if I can find some M$ stock for you 😉

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3Jane14:06:41

oooh cool! check if you find a Muji pen too, my favourite’s been missing for some time -.-

3Jane14:06:48

google has a sofa search these days? genius 😄

3Jane14:06:44

basically UNIQLO but for stationery (although they have other things as well, but afaict there’s more choice if you buy in the States; I use them for good quality paper and simple design)

thomas14:06:01

looks very cool. and when I saw that name I had to think of one of these: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Olympus_mju_Stylus_Epic

otfrom15:06:13

@lady3janepl can I OH tweet "Stock is basically Heisenberg savings"? (happy to cite you but idk your twitter handle.

3Jane15:06:26

also the handle is…

3Jane15:06:35

_3Jane

otfrom15:06:51

that underscore would have taken me forever. 🙂

3Jane15:06:08

irc didn’t use to let you start the nickname from a digit

3Jane15:06:59

also there’s a company called 3Jane in the US, and a character called 3Jane in Neuromancer (which is where I got the nickname from, originally), so I have to get creative with underscores, depending on who got there first ¯\(ツ)

danm15:06:43

Hah! I was wondering why the name was ringing bells. Neuromancer, been too long since I read it

danm15:06:24

Speaking of CyberPunk, can't wait for E3 buildup next week because CD Projekt RED have got a booth in the RPG section and I am mega hyped we're going to hear more about CyberPunk 2077

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3Jane15:06:26

depends on the platform. some will now generate a username (reddit), some suggest combinations of firstname/surname (facebook, gmail). would be an interesting study though!

3Jane15:06:44

and yeah, I’m also waiting for cp 2077 🙂 fingers crossed twice over, I’m really hoping for something that isn’t primarily a shooter

3Jane15:06:19

(as opposed to deus ex)

danm15:06:35

Do you play 2020? I haven't for years, but I do miss it. Was always my favourite RPG, but my standard GM stopped running a few years after Uni

danm15:06:59

I was assuming it would be like the The Witcher, but with guns and tech instead of sword and decoctions. But that does mean real time 3rd person combat, which might still be not so much your thing. I also loved Deus Ex, still my favourite game ever. Invisible War was such a disappointment but the newer 2 are good.

danm15:06:07

I did like that Human Revolution allowed you to complete the entire game through hacking/stealth instead of combat though (including boss fights, once the director's cut came out), so I'm hoping 2077 will have similar alternate routes for all scenarios. At least the main plot ones

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3Jane15:06:18

@carr0t yes, I used to play 2020 🙂 actually my kinda-on-hold project is to GM a couple of modern cyberpunk games and choose the one I like best

3Jane15:06:04

I’ve done Technoir already, and I’ve got the Veil and Headspace on hold

3Jane15:06:13

the Sprawl I played with someone else and it was meh, so it’s not on the list

danm15:06:22

Heh, I admit I don't actually know any of those

danm15:06:46

Had a number of friends who liked Shadowrun, but I wasn't keen on Orcs and Elves in my Sci-Fi 😉

3Jane15:06:54

exactly the same 🙂 (re Shadowrun). also apparently the popularity changed by region: Cyberpunk used to be well known and loved in Poland, Shadowrun over here in UK

3Jane16:06:57

The games I mentioned are … from the last 5 years-ish. All Indie, though Veil and Headspace are more traditional.

danm16:06:37

Well if you're ever looking for people for an online game both I and the wife would definitely be interested 😉

3Jane16:06:01

sure 🙂

3Jane16:06:21

where are you from btw? do you ever show up in London?

danm16:06:38

From? Cornwall. Currently living/working? Manchester. I was down in London on Friday actually, doing a talk to internal folks about what we're doing with Kafka. We're down occasionally, but it does tend to be flying visits a lot of the time, rather than time to meet up and socialise with folks

3Jane16:06:12

Cornwaaaaaaall ❤️

3Jane16:06:25

(lived there for a couple of years when I moved over, I still miss it but not that good for tech if you’re not remote 😕 )

danielneal14:06:26

we do Clojure here in Devon 😄

3Jane16:06:19

and yeah, if you’re coming from afar then anything more than a flying visit would be pretty much a holiday

3Jane16:06:13

I’m trying to remember if there are any good conventions in your area but I’ve never been that far north… Furnace in Sheffield is not that far, have you been?

danm16:06:18

I have not. Conventions for what? Manchester itself has a Comic Con every year, and a load of my friends were at a Con in Brum this weekend just gone

3Jane16:06:18

There are smaller ones for rpg specifically. It’s where you can try the new/less common games (like the ones I mentioned rather than Shadowrun or Pathfinder which tend to run on the more general geek cons.) (People run them as four hour long one-shots/demos.)

danm16:06:30

Yeah, I think that's what the Brum one was. But the biggest version of that that the UK has. I am peripherally aware of them, but don't seem to have so much time to go any more

3Jane16:06:55

yeah, I fell off the circuit as well, at some point work took over 🙂

danm16:06:17

Mainly because if we're going to be away for a weekend, we need to sort something out for the doggo

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danm16:06:01

These days a lot of our holiday are to dog friendly places in the Lakes and such 😉 Or occasionally overseas and we book him into a kennel, but that requires a lot of advance planning that i don't generally get around to for stuff like Cons

3Jane16:06:41

aw 🙂 is that a lab?

yogidevbear17:06:30

I have a question. With so many window managers for Linux, how do you make a decision as to what to install?

practicalli-johnny07:06:37

Just install Emacs and go full screen... then you don't need to care what window manager you use ;)

yogidevbear07:06:50

Lol, well I did install Emacs last night so we'll see how quickly I pick up all its nuances and key bindings

3Jane17:06:21

do people still use compiz?

bronsa18:06:15

I know of at least 2 friends who do

bronsa18:06:49

there's a bunch of people stuck in 2007 :P

bronsa18:06:13

@yogidevbear you usually pick which category you'd like a wm of (tiling vs dynamic vs floating is the biggest) and then spend all of your free time for months trying all out until you realize you've wasted too much time and pick the one you detest the least

yogidevbear18:06:47

Yeah, from what I was reading, I think I'd prefer dynamic (which is a mix between tiled and floating?)

bronsa18:06:17

no it's not floating at all

bronsa18:06:46

it's tiling but the tiles dynamically arrange

bronsa18:06:04

vs manual/static tiling where you arrange your tiles

bronsa18:06:46

ion/stumpwm are manual tiling, xmonad/i3 are dynamic

bronsa18:06:06

(some of the tiling also have floating modes like dwm and stumpwm, and vice versa, e.g. enlightenment)

yogidevbear19:06:33

Was afk putting the little human to bed

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yogidevbear20:06:28

Is it standard practice to install the full group list for xorg?

dominicm21:06:35

The group list varies on distros 😊