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2017-07-25
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thomas07:07:30

morning šŸ˜¼ mogge

agile_geek07:07:47

Morning and good night as I'm trapped in a building with no wifi, poor mobile signal and a firewall on the machine I have to use which is.... shudders ....Windows 7!

agile_geek07:07:10

Therefore this will probably be the limit of my contribution today

thomas07:07:15

good luck @agile_geek Our thoughts are with you.

thomas07:07:54

every cloud has a silver lining I guess.

dominicm08:07:31

Curious if anyone here is using a standing desk & what they think of it?

yogidevbear10:07:31

@dominicm Catharine mentioned you wanted a standing desk

dominicm10:07:10

Yeah, although I've apparently been nominated as an "expert", so I'm trying to research. I've been putting it off since euroclj šŸ˜›

yogidevbear10:07:35

I highly recommend the ikea desk

yogidevbear10:07:51

Don't have one, but I've checked them out. I'd love one for my house/office

yogidevbear10:07:24

To be more specific, the Bekant

dominicm10:07:53

The only thing that slightly puts me off is that some of the others have profiles for height, when you're intensely focused on a problem, and feel like sitting down, you don't want to be finding the exact right height because of the distraction.

dominicm10:07:10

I also figure it's quite a safe option šŸ™‚

practicalli-johnny14:07:08

I had the perfect shaped non-standing desk for my study, so used gas-spring mounting brackets for my monitor and laptops to make it a standing desk too https://www.amazon.co.uk/ThingyClub-Spring-Motion-Monitor-Desktop/dp/B013K9NKGI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1500993323&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=thingy+club

maleghast08:07:55

@dominicm - I am not at the moment, but I used one for a while, on and off, when I was at the BBC and I have to say I liked it. I donā€™t think that I would have liked it as a permanent fixture, but to have as an option it was great.

maleghast08:07:14

@agile_geek - I am truly sorry; our thoughts are with you brother

Rachel Westmacott08:07:29

ā€œ:shudder: :refer :all is the devil outside of a test namespaceā€ - some would say even within a test namespace.

Rachel Westmacott08:07:23

I think most offices should at least one standing desk for pairing.

maleghast08:07:40

@peterwestmacott - I could not agree more; I found pairing at a standing desk to be particularly good.

Rachel Westmacott09:07:38

The most important part of office comfort for me is variety. No single chair is comfortable in the long term.

maleghast09:07:35

*nods* I can see that

otfrom09:07:00

@peterwestmacott at least within a test namespace you can say that you are reasonably coupled to the namespace under test

maleghast09:07:54

@otfrom - have I understood correctly that :refer :all is a bit like just importing the entire namespace, i.e. it can lead quite easily to name collisions etc. and as such is to be avoided if at all possible..?

maleghast09:07:11

(i.e. is that why you are describing it as ā€œthe devilā€)

dominicm09:07:55

@maleghast @peterwestmacott any brands you'd recommend?

Rachel Westmacott10:07:07

dominicm: no, sorry

maleghast09:07:22

@dominicm - I am sorry to say that I never paid attention to such things. There were standing desks that we could go and use, in the co-working space next to our ā€œsliceā€ of the office, and I used them and liked them, but I never noticed / clocked a brand.

dominicm09:07:29

That's okay. I'm currently looking at https://www.hackster.io/hypnopompia/internet-controlled-adjustable-height-standing-desk-abd6e8 and thinking this would be really cool. Plug in, have a script adjust the height of the desk you're at activate the second monitor, etc.

Rachel Westmacott10:07:05

dominicm: why on earth do you want a script? Surely a physical button on the desk is best - fewer (computational) moving parts to go wrong

Rachel Westmacott10:07:20

plus less chance of colleague with a sense of humour hacking your desk!

dominicm10:07:14

@peterwestmacott we're planning on swapping desks a lot. So it's useful to be able to auto-configure a desk how you like. There's a few routine tasks you'll do when getting to a desk: * Adjust height of desk * Configure monitors (resetting panels which don't auto-adjust, & blah) * Mute the laptop depending on whether the desk is in a quiet area or not Seems like things that should be scripted.

Rachel Westmacott10:07:06

that does sound cool if you get it all working smoothly

Rachel Westmacott10:07:26

and +1 for promiscuous pairing / hotdesking

dominicm10:07:15

I mean, if the height fails to adjust, you do it manually, or run that line of python/shell/whatever again (this is what I do now)

dominicm10:07:41

But only for monitors & muting right now

dominicm10:07:46

and changing wifi

dominicm09:07:37

I want to seriously geek out the JUXT offices

otfrom09:07:12

I'm probably going to get one of the IKEA standing desks

Sam H10:07:57

@dominicm myself and a few folks at my work have these: https://uk.varidesk.com/en-gb/products/standing-desk-pro-plus?o=Size:36%20inch;Colour:Black Quite good as you can adjust them quickly and easily. The highest setting doesnā€™t work for one guy who is pretty tall tho (keyboard shelf sits too low for him)

maleghast10:07:12

@dominicm - That desk looks supremely cool!

dominicm10:07:03

Just to entirely derail the conversation: https://www.autonomous.ai/clone-telepresence-smart-office-robot these make me lol

jasonbell10:07:09

Android-on-a-Stick doesnā€™t have the same ring to it.

dominicm10:07:35

I'm not sure I've seen them out of back-order, which makes me wonder if it's a joke. If it's real, then it's an impressive piece of work. I wonder how reliable it is.

dominicm10:07:49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ5qRHQHItk it has an SDK. (Seemingly not available in the UK, at least not listed.... šŸ˜¢)

Rachel Westmacott10:07:39

@otfrom I still like a well-named alias eg: test-subject/...

dominicm10:07:14

@peterwestmacott I think a trick people often forget, and therefore get torn on ugly names, is forgetting that you can alias with dots.

(require '[myapp.webapp.test.util :as test.util])

maleghast10:07:17

@dominicm - Thatā€™s really uesful to know - I had no idea, personally, but it does mean that one can create much more ā€œfriendlyā€ aliases šŸ™‚

dominicm10:07:56

It's a lot nicer than test-util imo. I know it's just a dot vs a hyphen. But for some reason it matters.

maleghast10:07:17

*nods* I get where you are coming from šŸ™‚

otfrom10:07:19

@peterwestmacott I'm not saying you can't use aliases in test code, I'm saying it is the only place I'll accept :refer :all

Rachel Westmacott13:07:59

I might try to go straight to VR working, and skip the whole standing desk thing.

jasonbell13:07:45

Sitting down is the new standing up.

chrjs15:07:17

@thomas, I spoke to you a few times at euroclojure without piecing together that you were you.

chrjs15:07:30

So, you know, hi šŸ‘‹

dominicm16:07:10

Totally want to campaign for euroclj badges to have twitter/slack/etc. handles

otfrom16:07:42

@dominicm you don't have it tattooed on your forehead?

dominicm16:07:25

Saving space for my Government Approvedā„¢ Theresa May ID Badgeā„¢ "think of the children saved by doing this!"

agile_geek16:07:50

Day 2 of corporate hell and still no JDK or lein on my machine.... astonishing how much I can charge for twiddling thumbs. I'm getting frustrated now tho

agile_geek16:07:41

@otfrom What to throw at someone? Good idea, I'll bring my copy of @henrygarner book...it's nice and heavy! Unfortunately the system is automated so I can't even throw stuff at someone real.

seancorfield17:07:06

When I joined Macromedia (back in 2000), they were still putting together my team so the first week I spent mostly at a temporary desk in a storage area with no computer (and pretty much nothing else)... But, hey, they paid so...

agile_geek17:07:52

@jonpither not your problem mate

agile_geek17:07:12

@seancorfield my record is 6 weeks without a machine let alone one with all permissions and software...but my tolerance for bs has dropped a lot since then!

seancorfield17:07:24

Wowzer... I worked at a firm of actuaries (back in the 90's) and we had no permissions to install anything and when I joined (as a contractor, paid by the hour), they took three days to install the C compiler on my machine. I even had to sit there and watch them install it on my neighbor's machine and, because I was a few slots down the schedule, they wouldn't do my machine even tho' they were sitting right there next to me!

seancorfield17:07:48

But at least I had manuals to read in the mean time (they'd hired me specifically to write a compiler from actuarial formulae to parallel C code and the Inmos Transputer).