so... how does Art 50 feel?

Don't forget to set your clocks back 44 years, folks

Is there somewhere a clock that counts down?

or do I feel a little CLJS project coming on....

thomas the clocks started running backwards

@otfrom for two years.... or for 44 years?

or do they just explode at some point?

morning

man go to one meeting and i missed zipmap day! It's one of my fav's!

What shall we cover today. When-first?

never seen that one before.... interesting.

Very!

Was just doing a quick search for when-first on github, I assume this usage is not doing what he thinks it should be:

(when-first [resource [(io/resource "config/config.private.edn")
                       (io/resource "config/config.default.edn")]]
  (defconfig config resource))

I suspect not... has anyone tried it?

maybe or would do the trick here

like when-first! new to me to

hmm, trouble with or there is it wants a seq, remove nil? wld do, but it would look ugly

@shan Yeah, that's essentially:

(let [xs (seq resources)]
  (when xs
    (let [resource (first xs)]
      (defconfig config resource))))

when-let for the first line maybe?

I don't really see what the use of when-first is - when would it be actually useful? Rather than just obfuscation?

My favourite slightly obscure clojure macro is as->

i also like as->

@korny because (when-let [x (first xs)] …) isn't correct.

@dominicm why isn't it correct?

Well, it isn't correct if you want to say "get the first thing off this sequence if it exists"

@acron The when won't work for sequences like (false) or (nil)

true, true

"when-first" name is not as intuitive to me...

I think it's there to essentially avoid the noisy repetition in (when (first xs) (let [head (first xs)] head))

@reborg I agree, not a great name. But I think the shortcut is good.

it also avoids evaluating (first xs) twice, I think.

i still hate the giant clojure.core namespace @thomas ... stockholm syndrome has never set in

it translates to (let [temp (first xs)] (when temp (let [head temp] ... do stuff with head ...))

I definitely think there'd be value in an occasional prune of these functions - when-first is no juxt 🙂

yes, usage of juxt is rare, but when you need it it's just the ticket!

I think the only time the size of clojure.core annoys me is when I'm trying to name something and discover that all the short names have been taken.

i find two things about clojure.core - it makes learning clojure harder, because it's hard to browse related fns and it buries many functions like when-first or (i discovered a few days ago) keep

yeah - discoverability is an issue for sure

but on the flip side, having so many core functions that operate over the sequence abstraction is part of what makes the language awesome

(IMHO)

although personally I'd happily live without when-first

keep is new to me as well.. looks nice to get a subset of vals though from a map

but select-keys is also very handy in that context

I think maybe a "core-function-of-the-day" plugin could be useful, based on the functions you haven't used in your codebase

@peterwestmacott or that looks at your github pages and decides based on that

I found having https://jafingerhut.github.io/cheatsheet/grimoire/cheatsheet-tiptip-cdocs-summary.html permanently open on a browser tab helped...

Once you know a number of them, they become vital. I'm close to building a rosetta stone of "how do I do these things in Java8" so I can solve a problem in clojure in my head, and then translate it into some horrible stream-based mess...

Morning

Anyone watch Tim Baldridge's talk at Clojure/West on Core.Async in Use yet? He is really succinct in his presentation

Just watching it now actually

Feels like the takeaway is very much paralleled with what @agile_geek has been talking about with focus more around design decisions than the finer details of the written code

Big fan of @tbaldridge, His Youtube channel is worth a subscribe

Just subscribed 😄

Sit down and binge watch them all lol

I'm very tempted (even though I'm nearly falling asleep on my feet at the moment)

Tim's voice is a nice one to fall asleep to, been there, done that haha

Does it send babies to sleep?

I've heard that talking about the details of work will do that.

Interpreted by baby as "blah blah blah bla... ... ... ... 😴"

@korny How old is your little one now?

3.5 months. And asleep now, so time for me to copy him!

Ah I remember them days well!