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morning. functional works getting lots of heat on twitter for running the mailonline clj role
@benedek I don’t really subscribe to Twitter users encircling. If someone wants a job there then that person should have the freedom to pursue that job if they wish.
fair point. I guess it just gives an impression of what some ppl think. disclaimer: i worked for the mailonline, in fact i learned clojure there 😉
Everyone has their own tastes and opinions. If the aim it to earn a living and that’s the route to do it, then fair play and all that.
I’d say that same logic applies to the freedom to criticise those choices on twitter 😄
the gist i got was “can we stop working with news orgs that push the messages they do?"
i guess the question is, do you think by working there you are endorsing their message? or is it just a job.
I often wonder how much of that sort of thing is editoral pressure vs hiring people with certain beliefs
Especially if you’re a journalist - it’s not like there are millions of alternative high-paying journalism jobs
There are lots of Europeans taking jobs there they do not share the same perception of the place that many that have lived in the UK many years do.
haha i never forget my first landlord’s face when i told him I gonna work for the mailonline. i deffo got a hint there… (my first uk job was for the mailonline)
that would be great, a bit to far to pop for me though. will have to engineer some london meeting around the next time!
So is the general consensus in this room that mailonline is a bit dubious by nature? I've never been on their site before so don't know anything about them as a news outlet
@yogidevbear I think we in this room share some biases that mean that we tend towards a more liberal, progressive viewpoint and the mailonline has a strong right wing (often xenophobic) style. However, as with all things, I suspect the personal position of a lot of the journalists is not that strongly held but making controversial headlines sells copy.
Which is the main issue with media in general at the moment I think (re "headlines sells copy")
Interesting: >In August 2016 the Daily Mail began a partnership with The People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party. This includes publishing articles in the MailOnline produced by The People's Daily.
So the Daily Mail and MailOnline are under the same "umbrella" company, is that correct?
I believe the MailOnline is just the digital version of the Daily Mail, i.e. same journalists.
@agile_geek mailonline does republish some article from the paper version but it has its own publisher and editorial staff
in fact mailonline trying (and successfully I guess) to go international. it is getting popular in the states and also in aus. not sure that the same is true for the paper version
"Omniscient being of your choice" help us! Is there room for another Fox News in the US market?
Is it only me that wishes Aaron Sorkin's view of both the US President and US News Networks was closer to the real world?
I was wondering what people thought of this lib: http://funcool.github.io/urania/latest/
i looked at it a while ago - i thought i might come back to it when i next update the fetch layer of our app. pretty much everything funcool i've used has been great
manages composing of async fetch operations - identity, request deduplication, caching and coordination
mccraigmccraig & minimal with all the monadic like things in funcool do you think they lack by not having clojure.spec things yet?
I feel part of what is good about monads in something like haskell is having the compiler tell you if you've handled everything
I think it might be tricky for cats because at the moment they use binding vars to set the current context/monad
They were planning to move to a more data oriented approach but they didn’t find the time I think
But test.check is good for testing that you have implemented laws like associativity, identity etc
binding vars?!?!? I didn't think those would be threadsafe (or are they thread local?)
@otfrom the hidden protocol methods have explicit contexts passed - i think it's just the entrypoints which require binding vars, probably for hysterical raisins
Yay! Chapter 4 of Living Clojure complete.
deftype were interesting.