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@malcolmsparks - I was just last week singing the praises of that article to my team and encouraging them to embrace the idea that pursuing DRY at all costs was some way off the mark, that sometimes it is better to duplicate that over-complicate the implementation. They looked at me like I had poured gasoline on their mums š
moarning
@thomas Are you in a position to tell us more about it beyond āClojure, Rotterdamā?
@maleghast yes I can, it is at https://www.finalist.nl/
thank you @maleghast
and yes, very excitedā¦. after 16 years of big blue and the UK it will be a big change.
Bore da
@agile_geek Bore da š
Iāve not been keeping up with Clojure and the community as much as I want to lately (busy times with day job), but am I right that people are broadly speaking saying good things about clojure.spec..?
@maleghast broadly...yes.
@tcoupland - LoL!
once your beyond the toy examples though i'm finding it a bit trickier in places, not because of the tool as such, but just trickier to work it into the project and developing a sense of when it's not worth adding
@tcoupland there's the rub with most things!
@agile_geek @tcoupland - Perhaps I will read around and wait to see how people with more hands-on time with Clojure use it before I get too excited in that case...
o drat, didn't mean to put you off! It's the most exciting thing going on in clj land right now, so you should jump right in š
@tcoupland - Donāt worry, you didnāt put me off, I just have very limited time to explore code-stuff at the moment, and was āokā with hanging back and waiting until smarter people had figured it all out, so that once more I can stand on the shoulders of giants š
@jasonbell pourquoi?
@agile_geek possibly itās just what I got started with. Iāve tried Flambo out on more the Spark Streaming stuff and hit the odd roadblock, Onyx ended up being a better fit.
š for Onyx
@jasonbell looking forward to it!
@dominicm is vim considered the dark side here? š
@markwoodhall mostly just not on the radar.
@markwoodhall we embrace all editors! Vim is gr8 especially with Fireplace (although I also don't use it). Personally I think the min requirements for a useful editor for Clojure are: 1. Structural editing 2. Decent REPL interaction
Therefore Vim definitely qualifies
Spacemacs might be worth looking at?
and realised that it had better support for the kinds of movements you want to be doing w/ clojure
so then went spacemacs (because i thought i couldnāt live w/o vim bindings), then eventually just went for emacs w/prelude. havenāt looked back
I did try spacemacs for quite a while, I didnāt really get on with it very well to be honest.
My argument against switching is essentially that I don't want my language to dictate my editor. My editor should be flexible enough without having to be thrown out every time I change language.
@spike I might say that vim-sexp or vim-paredit were the missing motions/objects you were looking for š
Having been a Vim user for 18 years+ I will argue that nothing comes close to it for editing text, but I started using spacemacs around a year ago and fell in love with Emacs tools (org-mode+++, magit+++). I want to strip down to plain emacs and start building on top of it because a) itās customised to me and b) I like to know how everything works underneath ā¦ saying all of that I am currently in Idea + cursive, and it is also awesome
I'll give another š:skin-tone-2: for Emacs/Prelude. Especially since it's maintained by the same person who does CIDER and Projectile so it all plays very nicely together.
I do all my clojure with Intellij/cursive. I started in Emacs, but then I needed to write some Java, and it is still horrible for that. Funny, it was Java that stopped me using Emacs 16 years ago, and itās still the biggest barrier now š
I don't hate Java. It does the job. It's not fun, but it does the job.
i'm with @korny on java š¬
Never had an issue with Java but @otfrom gives me odd looks when I mention its name š
I still do my java in Emacs. Have done my whole career. The only time I've not used Emacs to programming was when I was doing Salesforce
anyone with strong syntax-quoting foo around ?