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madainn mhath

The people it bothers aren't in a position to fix it. By the time they are, they've forgotten.

good observation @dominicm

yes, very true @dominicm (for quite a few things)

or, the people who can change it have no interest in changing it as it serves them well.

a lot depends on turnover/growth

IME when companies a growing then team-level managers see benefits in improving onboarding

agile_geek onboarding isn't that hard

@otfrom depends on the company/team. sometimes it takes a long time before you find out all the accounts etc. you need.

otfrom: not my experience

sometimes it is not written down on what to do… and the people who have been there a long time just have all these things.. but no idea how they got them in the first place

just because it’s not hard doesn’t mean large companies aren’t terrible at it

glenjamin: interestingly this is a company undergoing rapid growth but I think their processes are lagging behind atm

agile_geek would be great to get your reaction to this: http://blog.cognitect.com/blog/2016/10/5/interactive-development-with-clojurespec

interesting, my initial reaction is that of the 4 properties listed at the start, only > the sum of the values should be <= the number of pegs in the secret code is remotely likely to be accidentally violated

I liked that it started from a pretty basic understanding of the problem and then fleshed it out.

otfrom: I'll take a look tonight

also interesting, as far as I can tell coll-of doesn’t enforce ordering

I'd be interested in it from two perspectives: 1. How easily it can be used to understand Clokure.spec given my rudimentary understanding from only reading the pages on spec on http://clojure.org

2. What does a Spec driven workflow look like?

Should have spare time tonight while sitting in Hotel room to take a look and report back

the juxt office working conditions have just got a lot worse, I have nearly 400 unopened bottles of beer behind me in the office and must stay strong...

malcolmsparks: chug, chug, chug...

I guess we should get some bottles of CIDER in for ClojureX for during Bugs talk.

malcolmsparks: BTW lots of ppl talking to me recently saying how much they enjoyed XT16

@agile_geek @malcolmsparks same here at uswitch

@benedek just hoping everyone is as kind about ClojureX this year :)

don’t see why not 🙂. but xt16 was an exceptional experience of sorts i guess… I still have the xt beer in my fridge 😉