we have found that :: is a bit clunky for refactoring, is other people using the long :ns.foo.bar/quuz for specs?

Not really. You change the name just in the ns declaration vs everywhere you use it. I guess it s quite personal

well you have to change the namespace and the alias in case it changes

Yes that's what I meant

while with unqualified you don't have to do anything else, just copy them around

I mean fully qualified 😄

following along these lines, sometimes you need to make them unique...you cannot use :foo/bar or they would clash

The alias doesn't change really, just the thing it points to.

this though means you need to give names

and naming is hard and requirements change and all that

so we found fully qualified better for us - for now... 😄

Same argument that's sometimes mentioned with clj.spec.alpha, just use aliases ex s/def and the day it changes to beta or whatever you just update the alias target

In the end it s just a search & replace with less/more hits, I guess both ways are fine

well my argument would be that you don't even need search and replace

at the price of spec verbosity

You d need to update every kw vs just ns declarations so yeah, there is some s&r :p

my question was something else though.. 😄

kind of a feature request, but at this point I don't know if it makes sense 😄

it would be great if you could have aliases of keywords that are not tight to a namespace

we do expect to have something like this, but not sure yet exactly what it will look like

didn’t want to couple it tightly to existing namespace/alias support

like (defkw :my-long.foo.bar :mfb)

oh cool ok

is there a JIRA to upvote? I can open one

I'll check 😄

Would be interesting if spec understood hierarchies, but I already mentioned that

there is one I think

https://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-2123

oh nice

will track it and write there if I have good ideas 😄

thank you Alex

yeah I ended up writing the fully qualified keyword for my specs lately and really am glad I did

it made it really easy to e.g. move all of my specs to their own ns

Does the thing change if it moves namespaces? Is it fundamentally different? If not, I think aliasing conflates location with name with regards to specs. I tend to prefer something like :transport/event because what it is doesn’t change based on where it is.