Going to pro-active improve some other sync. Next week all week at Devoxx Belgium.

morning.... more bug fixes

morning all

Long-time java-freelancer-exploring-clojure work here 🙂

Doing a few modest clojure jobs now....

moggue

hey remco 🙂

mogguh

freelancer-doing-old-skool-rails-2-atm-and-some-cljs-later-today

ok, i'm doing clj+cljs with reagent

and good old mysql 🙂

postgres all the way here 😎

that would've been my choice as well

but as always, it wasn't up to me. freelancer, late to the party as ever

this is my party, going strong for 10 years, hence the rails-2 stack 😉

rails and cljs, currently

Been working on this in the last few weeks. https://twitter.com/borkdude/status/1060837335166803969 Please give it a try on your projects.

morguh

@borkdude looking at https://github.com/slipset/speculative/blob/master/doc/issues.md - impressive stuff!

yeah, those were mostly imperfections in clojurescript spec we found

oh this is really nice, so it automatically instruments all core functions :thinking_face:

why isn't this stuff in clojure core yet

as far as there are fdefs for it, it’s not complete

and you have to instrument yourself, that’s up to the user. instrumenting is not without cost, it can make things slow. so typically something you would turn on in development, but maybe not all the time

you can try it here online: http://bit.ly/expulative

you can fdef without instrumentation, though -- i don't understand why they don't do that in core

i am one of those evil bastards that doesn't care about CPU cycles and runs full instrumentation in production as well

orchestra + expound is awesome

now i can add speculate to that

clojure tolerates it better than cljs, since clojure is compiled using direct linking, so it doesn’t check every call to itself

but cljs can become creepingly slow. e.g. instrument =, then try your webapp 🙂

what parts of orchestra do you use?

we had to disable instrumentation for apply in cljs, this was fundamentally impossible, since the instrumented function that replaces the original also calls apply and then would call itself

@lmergen but if you could give it a quick spin before we release 0.0.2 that would be cool 🙂

i'll give it a spin tomorrow!