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stathissideris07:07:15

@gtsiftsis: mou eixan steilei ena draft gia review, alla den vrhka pote ton xrono na to koitaksw

stathissideris07:07:34

@gtsiftsis: epishs, me ton Michael Gaare (ayton pou ekane to blog post) exw doulepsei sto idio project, kai tha elega oti o kwdikas tou pasxei apo java hangover

stathissideris07:07:19

opote den kserw an me enthousiazei to vivlio

greenonion07:07:24

με τρομαζει ο clojure κωδικας που πασχει απο java hangover (lol τελειος χαρακτηρισμος, θα τον υιοθετησω)

greenonion07:07:37

νιωθω σαν να μην ειναι για μενα η Clojure κατι τετοιες στιγμες

stathissideris07:07:45

@greenonion: vasika den htan heavy se interop, htan apla oti eixe protocols gia ta panta

stathissideris07:07:14

dhladh htan sa na sou leipei to OOP kai na theleis na to kaneis shoehorn se clojure

greenonion07:07:35

ναι ναι κι εγω για τετοια μιλαω

greenonion07:07:41

οχι αναγκαστικα interop

greenonion07:07:01

προσωπικα με τρομαζει κι ο κωδικας του tellman

greenonion07:07:07

ισως να μη γινονται αλλιως αυτα που κανει, δεν ξερω

greenonion07:07:55

δες line 109 πχ

greenonion07:07:15

ισως ειναι essential, no idea

stathissideris07:07:01

fainetai san kati pou an exeis diavasei to paper mporei na einai profanes

stathissideris07:07:54

o Tellman telika POSA projects exei??

gtsiftsis08:07:56

είναι λιγο huge

greenonion08:07:22

απειρα, αλλο εψαχνα εντωμεταξυ

greenonion08:07:27

αλλα δεν το βρηκα καν

greenonion08:07:25

νομιζω ηταν message queue

greenonion09:07:18

νομιζω οχι

greenonion09:07:22

παιζει να μην ειναι στο προσωπικο του gh

greenonion10:07:20

οχι ρε 🙂

greenonion10:07:29

αυτο φανταζομαι εχει πολυ interop αναγκαστικα

greenonion10:07:58

https://github.com/ztellman/dirigiste πωπω εχει και τετοια ε

greenonion10:07:00

τιγκα java

palladin10:07:33

Erotisi pros tous clojure practitioners Ston diko sas production clj codika poio programming style protimate kai me poia logiki ta kanete compose. px pure functions, functions me mutation, multi-methods, protocols, classic OOP

greenonion10:07:03

το πρωτο

greenonion10:07:12

το δευτερο ελαχιστες φορες με transients

greenonion10:07:25

multi-methods και protocols avoid αν γινεται

greenonion10:07:39

γιατι μυριζουν ΟΟP αν το παρακανεις

palladin10:07:54

@greenonion: thnks gia tin apantisi

palladin10:07:31

opote eisai se ena namespace

palladin10:07:46

kai vazeis def kai defn

palladin10:07:10

kai meneis input - output releationship

palladin10:07:28

kai kapoies fores otan to epivalei to problem

palladin10:07:35

vazeis set! atom ktlp

stathissideris10:07:16

@palladin: pure functions most of the time, kai to mutation to kanw base se pure functions epishs (giati to swap! pernei parametro kapoio pure function)

stathissideris10:07:17

@palladin: multimethods kai protocols kammia fora, alla akoma kai tote, sta protocols xwrizw to implementation apo to protocol gia na einai pio repl-friendly

stathissideris10:07:22

@palladin: vasika nomizw den to eipa swsta. apofeygw to mutation pash thysia.

palladin10:07:07

opote exoume oti kai oi dio protimate

palladin10:07:12

pure functions

palladin10:07:01

kai atomic set! or swap!

palladin10:07:05

ean den ginete allios

stathissideris10:07:05

vasika swap! kai reset! (me seira protimishs)

stathissideris10:07:53

@palladin: to allo pattern pou den einai amesa profanes sthn clojure einai oti protimatai genika to data driven development

apod10:07:44

to onyx to xrisimopoei sto megisto vathmo https://github.com/onyx-platform/onyx

palladin10:07:54

nai genika to data driven einai stin katigoria oti pezo me pure functions kai katharo input-output

stathissideris10:07:20

nai, declarative mexri na anagkasteis apo thn pragmatikothta na exeis kapoio side-effect

palladin10:07:40

opote ta side-effects ta sproxnete sto "telos" tou kosmou

palladin10:07:56

opos stin Haskell einai to IO monad

stathissideris10:07:09

@palladin: ti les, tha grapseis tipota? 🙂

palladin10:07:57

genika ta prosopika mou endiaferonta einai kapos makria apo tin lisp

palladin10:07:41

milao panta gia night hacking time

palladin10:07:01

dld xthes steilame ena paper sto POPL

palladin10:07:19

kai eixame codika se MetaOcaml kai Scala

stathissideris10:07:31

scala makes me cry

palladin10:07:59

nai kai malista eimoun ego ypeuthinos gia to Scala piece

palladin10:07:35

opote kai akadimaika den vlepo kapoion dromo na me steilei konta stin lisp

palladin10:07:22

os day job ... einai poio pithano se scala (yparxoun perisoteres douleies eidika se big data)

palladin10:07:27

alla pote den ksereis

palladin10:07:51

pros to paron xerome tin lisp meso tis pareas pou kano me sas kai me to athens community

palladin10:07:31

an kai oi epiroes mou einai kirios Haskell, OCaml

palladin10:07:49

exo kai kapoia clojure

gtsiftsis10:07:55

palladin true για την scala σε big data έχουν επενδύσεις πολλές εταιρείες

palladin10:07:47

@gtsiftsis: Nai euxtixos h distixos

gtsiftsis10:07:59

no idea θα το δείξει ο καιρός

palladin10:07:30

ego pantos to hacking se scala to euxaristieme 😛

gtsiftsis10:07:52

δεν εχω ασχοληθεί ποτέ

gtsiftsis10:07:55

από την άλλη έχω αρχίσει και ευχαριστιέμαι την lisp 🙂

gtsiftsis10:07:47

palladin παρήγγειλα και τα 'little ...' books

palladin10:07:15

perimeno na akouso gnomi

palladin10:07:24

exo kai me auta erota

palladin10:07:48

genika me tin lisp exo orees anamniseis opos tou protou erota

palladin10:07:27

kai to community me voithaei na thimame pos itan na eisai eroteumenos gia proti fora

stathissideris11:07:14

@palladin: pantws e me thn scala prospathisa, diavasa to miso vivlio tou Odersky kai mou fanhke terastia kai apofasisa na mhn asxolithw pote

palladin11:07:04

@stathissideris: Ontos einai ligo terataki

greenonion11:07:52

κι εγω καπως ετσι με τη Scala

greenonion11:07:05

νομιζω εχει βρει απηχηση σε java-δες που ηθελαν κατι παραπανω

greenonion11:07:10

αλλα χωρις να ξεβολευτουν κιολας

palladin11:07:19

@greenonion: Yparxei kai ena pososto mikro

palladin11:07:34

pou kanoun scala san na kanoun Haskell

palladin11:07:25

me pure functons, monads ktlp

greenonion11:07:00

εισαι μεσα σε αυτους να υποθεσω; 🙂

palladin11:07:44

Kapoies fores... analoga poso abstract thelo na eimai

palladin11:07:10

i scala exei ena feature pou legete Higher Kinded types

palladin11:07:27

kai sou epitrepei na kaneis poli generic codika

palladin11:07:44

opos px na kanei abstract to monad

palladin11:07:03

kai na pezeis me monad transformers kai tetoia pragmata

palladin11:07:15

auto tin kanei na miazei poli me Haskell

stathissideris12:07:34

@palladin: thn frege thn exeis koitaksei katholou?

palladin12:07:55

@stathissideris: Oxi,,, sxedon katholou mono ta vasika

stathissideris12:07:50

anarwtiemai poso “kanonikh” haskell einai

palladin12:07:07

nai idea den exo... miazei na einai poli konta

palladin12:07:22

@stathissideris: Malista i Frege einai Haskell

palladin12:07:40

auto einai pou anefera parapano

palladin12:07:51

oti kaneis abstract to monad

palladin12:07:06

kai kaneis generic functions over any monad

stathissideris15:07:52

@palladin: thanks pou to tsekares 🙂

palladin15:07:28

nai epeksa ligaki

palladin15:07:46

ena oraio pou exei

palladin15:07:59

einai oti kaleis java methods

palladin15:07:12

kai oses exoun dilothei oti exoun side-effects

palladin15:07:18

einai wrapped

palladin15:07:22

sto IO monad

palladin15:07:36

opote prostateuete o pure codikas apo ta effects

palladin15:07:42

meso tou type system

palladin15:07:48

fenete sigoura poli endiaferon project

gtsiftsis21:07:08

στάθη έπεσα πάνω σε 2,3 repos

gtsiftsis21:07:18

και τώρα και το arachne που είναι σε boot

gtsiftsis21:07:40

είχα την εντύπωση πως το lein ήταν κραταιό