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schmalz07:07:59

Morning all.

dharrigan07:07:13

Good Morning!

otfrom09:07:10

morning (tho this is from yesterday evening)

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otfrom09:07:57

if you look really hard you can see St Andrews on the horizon on the left of Tentsmuir Forest

maleghast09:07:02

madainn mhath :flag-scotland:

agigao11:07:51

Morning 🍵 Woke up with an idea to experiment with my (tech) habits - blocked http://google.com in the hosts 🧙

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teodorlu11:07:01

What’s your motivation? Don’t like Google? Or do you want to habitually search less? Or something else?

agigao11:07:28

A couple of things: 1. While opening a browser, I sometimes find myself typing http://google.com almost instinctively 2. Quality of google search has been declining drastically so far, and Soc. media eating up all the internet traffic and content. Hence, quite often I add reddit to the search query to actually find something more likely written by an actual person.

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agigao11:07:29

Also, it might sound or perhaps is a conspiracy theory but I find it concerning when engine reports 100 000 00+ matches and let's me see only handful of 300-500 results 30-50 pages at most. I'd very much like to hear second opinion on the matter.

teodorlu11:07:36

I've been curious about replacing search and algorithmic recommendations with references from humans for a time. I feel like that's a source of better results. Replacing your home page was a nice move - I might steal that!

agigao11:07:55

I'm curious what strategies did you employ in your attempt? It's getting more and more challenging with LLM generated content and web-pages, filled with gibberish soaked in affiliate links and ads.

teodorlu12:07:00

1. Make a list of people who I believe I have something to learn from 2. Take what they say seriously 3. Explore some of their references.

reefersleep10:07:33

I've seen warm recommendations of Kagi over Google

agigao18:07:09

@U3X7174KS I get the idea but how did you actually implement it? @U0AQ3HP9U never heard of Kagi, I will definitely check it out, thank you!

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teodorlu20:07:22

> I get the idea but how did you actually implement it? My motivation was to take more control over my own intent. What do I actually want to achieve? What kinds of things do I like? I don’t believe the youtube recommendation engine is going to take you there without effort. I’m having a bit of a hard time answering, because the specific things I did were aimed to help me reach my goals—I don’t know where you want to end up. “not in algorithm land” is nice, but where do you want to be? A specific example for me was that I decided I wanted to get comfortable with Babashka scripting. Back to the steps: 1. Make a list of people who I believe I have something to learn from. In retrospect, my current web site code has been influenced by (amonst others) Michiel Borkent, Christian Johansen and Erik Assum. I believe they are good programmers, and I (still) believe I have a lot to learn from them. 2. Take what they say seriously. One specific lesson from Michiel for me is about testing. If the test suite is decently fast and reliable, maintaining code is going to be easier. A good test suite also lets you do less work other places, the test suite serves as an explanation of the code, what it’s meant to do. 3. Explore some of their references. Christian recommended Beyond The Goal by Eliahu Goldratt recently (https://clojurians.slack.com/archives/C061XGG1W/p1719303085857659). I got the book, and enjoyed it thoroughly. The third step has perhaps been the most surprising one to me, this is where completely novel threads may pop up. In my experience, this is very different from what youtube or amazon is going to recommend that you consume; youtube/amazon/other algorithmic recommendations tend to just be similar to other things I’ve consumed, in my experience.

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teodorlu12:07:16

@U2HBNQQBE what do you think? I don't feel like I have definite answers here, this is a work in progress for me. I'm very much curious about your efforts!