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Jakub Holý (HolyJak)07:03:53

Morning! ❄️ 🥶

dharrigan07:03:42

Good Morning!

schmalz07:03:06

Morning all.

ray09:03:47

good morning

maleghast09:03:48

madainn mhath :flag-scotland:

Ed10:03:52

Morning

jackrusher16:03:56

🧵 What’s the weirdest nonsense you’ve ever encountered during a programming job interview? Example: a friend was recently asked to type the answer to an example coding task in — no joke — Google Docs! This has to be one of the worst proxies for how one might perform using their own environment that I’ve ever heard about.

seancorfield16:03:59

In one of my first ever interviews, during the regular questions and discussion, the interviewer would randomly ask math questions ("What is the cube root of 27?" sticks in my mind as one of them). They were completely unrelated to anything else happening in the interview and they were deliberate interruptions, usually while I was answering a previous question.

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Ben Sless16:03:20

On a Google job interview I was asked to type in Google Docs! In comparison, interviews for hardware design were way better

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Jakub Holý (HolyJak)18:03:08

Perhaps the interview was not about how well you can code and use your editor, well? Once upon time there was this coding dojo app that on purpose provided a very limited editor so that you would focus on other things that mattered. (If course, I am biased here 😹 )

Jakub Holý (HolyJak)18:03:37

On a related note, I have also done coding during an interview (I wouldn’t exactly call it a coding interview though) in G. Docs. I missed auto-indentation, but given that I anyway coded in pseudo-code, I don’t think any IDE would have helped me.

Jakub Holý (HolyJak)19:03:28

BTW I'd very much like hearing about positive experiences with technical interviews, both from the position of an interviewee and interviewer 🙏

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Ben Sless19:03:53

We had an architect who'd ask questions quite conversationally, then zoom in on a subject iteratively, ending up in "alright, can you write that out for me? Even in pseudo code" Done very smoothly

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jackrusher08:03:07

We managed to maintain relatively high standards at Bell Labs with absolutely none of this bullshit. The interview process was to talk about past projects at increasing levels of detail until it was either obvious they knew what they were doing or obvious they didn’t. One of the things that irritates me about most of these hiring practices is that they filter on criteria with little predictive value for future candidate performance, while also being psychologically painful for shy and/or easily flustered people, or those whose neurodivergence leads them to require certain tooling, &c. (And people of this latter category are often superb programmers when allowed to do it their way.) See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AoCK5r2TWg

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Jakub Holý (HolyJak)14:03:14

Right, I've also struggled with the problem of filtering out shy/... people. Thanks for sharing!

otfrom14:03:49

I'm a big fan of the "tell me what things you've worked on before" approach. That and finding out what people are good at/excited about/both. That way even if they aren't right for what I need atm, I'll know in the future what kind of thing they might be right for (or suggest them to someone else who might be hiring), but that might be b/c of the various small business/start up scenes I've been in

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Ben Sless15:03:17

I have a problem coming at it from the other direction - neurodivergent people can make for astounding developers and HR landmines. The corporate world is sadly Ill equipped to deal with nails sticking out

Ben Sless15:03:45

Different source of corpo nonsense one has to deal with in hiring

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Ludger Solbach18:03:32

I also let the people talk about their past projects. Then I ask them, what was the most interesting project of them. After that I ask about the architecture, design and implementation of that project. If someone cannot answer my questions on his/her most interesting project, that's a clear sign of lack of interest and/or know how.

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