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ray06:07:53

Good morning. It’s becoming quieter here. Summer holidays?

reefersleep09:07:30

Quieter in the neighbourhood here as well, I guess because people are travelling for the holidays. I dig it!

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lemontea17:07:15

too hot, too tired… but my friend disagree…

seancorfield06:07:33

Holidays? What are those? Oh, right, what Europeans get that Americans don't...

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ray06:07:57

Also healthcare :man-shrugging::skin-tone-2:

ray06:07:43

And yet we still complain 😂

seancorfield06:07:35

Ouch! And yet, so true...

slipset07:07:20

Hihi, in Norway you’re entitled to three weeks of contiguous vacation in summer (given that you have enough of your 25 vacation days left)

vijaykiran10:07:20

I always read “contiguous” in the case of diseases. But contiguous vacations is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one 😁

ray22:07:29

Contiguous memory is very C

pez07:07:15

“Health care”.

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reefersleep09:07:21

It's bad? Could be better in Denmark, but I'll take it by a long shot over private health care. The key is to be your own ambassador and insist that the GPs check out whatever you're concerned about thoroughly and/or let you have get a reference/prescription for a specialist. Don't let them brush you off with 10 minutes of chitchat, which does happen, there you go, out the door, ka-ching.

otfrom10:07:38

I had a similar problem w/my private health care in the US. You really had to go to the GP knowing what you wanted as they controlled access to any specialists. Big difference between the UK being that UK GPs will do a lot more than US GPs.

otfrom10:07:03

tho that understanding of the US system stops in 2008 so I don't know how it is now

pez11:07:43

It probably sucks much more than it used to.

otfrom11:07:53

It certainly got worse but more expensive every year I was there

seancorfield18:07:15

We pay about $2,000 a month for health insurance (my employer pays some of that but they're a small company so it's mostly on us). That plan has a $2,500 deductible per person and the out-of-pocket threshold is $7,500 per person. That's just basic healthcare: no dental, no vision, and lots of "optional" stuff isn't covered (physical therapy mostly isn't covered, nor is most mental health stuff, etc).

seancorfield19:07:01

We've hit the OoP threshold for my wife several times over the past decade, which means we've spent $31,500 in a year plus whatever isn't covered at all.

seancorfield19:07:18

For several years, she was getting a treatment twice a year which was an injection, where each shot cost $9,500 and we had to battle with the insurance company every time to get them to pay for about 2/3 of that.

seancorfield19:07:22

She's had several surgeries. Each stay in hospital is somewhere between $50-100k and we actually get the bill, with a note that the hospital has also sent it to the insurance company. Those were years we hit the OoP threshold...

seancorfield19:07:38

We've also had stuff go to "collections", where there's a dispute over who should pay and how much... those are the outsourced companies whose only job is to harass you until they recover whatever money they've been told you owe... even if you ultimately don't owe anything... and now you're battling the hospital and the doctors, and the insurance company, and the collectors. This is why medical expenses are the #1 cause of bankruptcy here. And if you're unlucky, death because you can't afford to pay for treatment.

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Ludger Solbach01:07:39

I stay put in europe.

pez11:07:12

It’s only going to get worse until the debate shifts away from which ways governments should mess health care up.

reefersleep11:07:04

Yeah, I think I'll stop complaining. I hope you're through the worst, @U04V70XH6 ❤️

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schmalz07:07:58

Morning all.

danieroux07:07:59

morning. coffee.

reefersleep09:07:41

Good morning!

reefersleep09:07:11

I finished watching the #CLX41ASCS conf vids with the @borkdude closing keynote, and I want to say that it was great, and that it's generally inspiring to follow your process. I love how open you are about your work!

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pez13:07:11

Was it someone here who once wrote a thing about choosing license for Clojure open source stuff?

pez18:07:05

Yes, that was the one I was thinking about. Thanks!

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lread14:07:48

Woah, that video is a good fit for the question! 🎉

reefersleep11:07:07

That is indeed very interesting!

lread14:07:59

oh, and, morning!

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