These are better clues

wow. That must have taken quite some time.

There are some weaved pieces in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_Art,_Architecture_and_Design. And I feel conflicted looking at them! On one hand, why make it so hard for yourself? On the other hand, I just have to respect the effort.

https://designmuseum.org/exhibitions/ai-weiwei-making-sense

He discussed the work on this radio show (how i found out about the exhibition) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001kwts?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Nice, thanks! I'll give that a listen 💯

The collection of spouts was over 30 years

Wow.

Thanks for the recommendation! I'm almost through now. I'm originally a structural engineer, which I guess made tte subjects especially interesting to me! 😊

I think you are missing "Expression" in your 4 overarching things. It might be captured in your activities for the other four, but it would be easy for it to be formulaic without having the ability to express what you want as one of the goals/subjects.

Expression is why I do free writing 5 days per week and I find it difficult to keep going, but rewarding when I do because the practice makes it easier for me.

Though all of us here do a lot of expressing as building something in code is a form of expression (regardless of what that thing is)

hmmm. Is "expression" a way to "make it real"? Like practicing a real instrument in order to play a song "for real" for someone at some point in time?

I think you have a point. When I look back at when I went to school, it seemed so fake. Fake history: read some years to present on a test. Fake English: read some words to remember them for a test.

@U0525KG62 I rolled your comments into the https://play.teod.eu/teodor-school-system/, hope you don't mind. I'll delete them if you want.

So there's a temporal nature to rhetoric, theater, and music, (and sports for that matter) that isn't anything like literature afaict.

I find learning to deal with that to be extremely important.

Right, those two are indeed quite different. "performance", "it happens right now". Like doing design work vs repl explorations in Clojure.

Yeah now that you say that I'm remembering a Rich talk called "Design, Composition, and Performance" that's related.

I’d add funding, scrap private schools and flip some incentives around before reinventing it.

@U04V5V0V4 any ideas about how you'd fund your ideal school? I'm honestly blank there. I feel like making a good curriculum is hard enough. Thinking about how to fund it all just makes it even harder. But perhaps funding is the real problem. Perhaps current methods for funding is constraining current schools to the current level of quality. So the real problem is "how do we fund education", and if that problem is solved, real teachers might solve the hard part of finding a good curriculum?

One answer is to put the best teachers in the worst performing schools. They did that for maths in Singapore with much improved results .

@U3X7174KS I'm a big believer in using what you've learned and getting a chance to go beyond it. Also, being able to express yourself in some way is important

I pretty much agree, and this also maps directly to the Classical Education movement Refrain regarding expression - historically, the great works of art we revere and appreciate rose from the exact friction with restriction. Restrictive and regimented environments make for opportunities of subtle and complex creativity. It's about having points of reference. Regarding schooling as a system,education is the most mass produced product in human history, probably with expected results How do we make the Armani version of education rather than the mass produced sweatshop mess? The system itself needs built in diversity, iteration and experimentation. How can you make a top down system like that? Dunno, think you need a CAS (complex adaptive system)

There's plenty of adventure and discovery in the western canon. Tales of heroics and adventure stretching back thousands of years

>Expression is why I do free writing 5 days per week and I find it difficult to keep going, but rewarding when I do because the practice makes it easier for me. I'm not familiar with that term @U0525KG62 -- can you elaborate (or just point me at a good resource)?

Really grateful for all the responses (so far), lots of things I hadn't considered.

I might humbly suggest that reading beyond the Western canon and history is a very good idea

Might I ask for an example of one such book/text? I'm not quite sure where to start.

@U04V70XH6 free writing is just writing, without editing for a particular amount of time, like 10 minutes. The only rule being that you keep writing (typing, by hand, dictation, or whatever). Just to get you used to writing as a comfortable way to express whatever nonsense comes out

Some people use prompts. I've started doing that because I found I was being over prompted by doing my writing in emacs and was just writing about that all the time and I was finding it boring

The crudest debate over education is it’s purpose: to make workers or thinkers. This will intensify with AI cos it can only work.

I have read beyond the western canon, it's still swell and rich. This is absolutely throwing the baby out with the bath water. There is value in an artistic legacy by virtue of its continuity. There's a reason it's called The Great Conversion. By now it's massive. Why would you even indirectly want to diminish its value? Which by no means implies other canons are without merit, but this might be a bit of a fish/water issue. You're surrounded by it, so it's easy to disregard. But there are such depths there. I know I'm rambling at this point 😅

Reading beyond the Western canon doesn't mean "don't read Western canon" it just means read things from elsewhere and don't rank order canons

This, in the end, is a very western approach 🙃

Clue is in the channel name 🦆 🦆

It's the water we swim in :man-shrugging::skin-tone-3:

I wonder how closely it maps to a strong history of maritime mercantilism

The categories overlap in many interesting ways that are not clear in their presentation here. Maybe a Venn-ish diagram would be better? (Trivial example: dance is movement + aesthetics.) A missing category here is emotional education. One of the most important things we learn in the course of life is to cease to be a slave to emotional impulses, while also remaining in touch with the important things they tell us.

Emotional development and education goes hand in glove with facing and overcoming challenges and hardships. You could close a pretty nice feedback loop with every other discipline, just need a guide

@UK0810AQ2 yeah, that’s part of what I’m on about with the Venn diagram 🙂 That said, I’d want to be explicit about it because it’s something most rationalist-adjacent educational approaches get wrong. The arts offer important instruction in personhood (including emotional intelligence) via mechanisms not reachable through argumentation, and should not be regarded solely as “aesthetics”, for one example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_mV1IpjWA

I still think the Eurotunnel is cool, even after all these years! I used to love going to Paris for the weekend, taking a train from London after work on Friday, and coming back home Sunday night. Now I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area for over two decades, and I still think it's cool to take BART to the city, knowing it runs through a big tube along the bottom of the bay, from Oakland to San Francisco -- and it's still fun freaking out the tourists who don't realize they're deep underwater, miles from land 🙂