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simongray07:05:40

> @grav But it also made me wonder, is it actually able to execute arbitrary programs? Eg decode a base64-encoded string? You can add ~50 pages of prompts to the GPT4 model containing the relevant translation table, so it should technically be able to perform the task.

genRaiy08:05:20

Teach an AI to fish and soon it will be trawling the Internet

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grav15:05:31

@U4P4NREBY Not sure I understand, where would the translation table come from? Would I submit it?

grav15:05:46

Or do you mean that it was already a part of the training data?

simongray15:05:10

You submit it as part of the prompt

grav15:05:12

I didn't submit anything apart from the encoded string

grav15:05:20

It seems ChatGPT was clever enough to recognize the string as being base64 encoded, and then it tried decoding it. So I assume it's creating a program for decoding it.

simongray15:05:34

I am not explaining your result, I am just saying it is technically possible to solve this in a general way using GPT4

simongray15:05:55

No one knows what data it was trained on.

simongray15:05:47

No, it doesn't create a program, it answers the prompt using statistics inferred from its training data. It likely has some base64 data in it that it extrapolated from to get your result.

grav15:05:42

I just find it facinating that it can extrapolate explicit "math problems" ...

grav15:05:55

It doesn't seem like extrapolation ... but maybe with enough data it is

grav15:05:29

Btw - I just asked ChatGPT, and it says it does calculate the decoded string.

grav15:05:37

But again, it might be hallucinating 😄

grav15:05:26

It also says that it actually does calculate math expressions ... so I'm still thinking, where's the limit? When does it execute code, when does it just use inference

simongray15:05:52

If you think about it a bit, it's not really different from anything else it answers. It associates certain strings with each other and base64 is just a table of strings. And it doesn't what it "says" about itself because it's not actually intelligent. So if it says that it calculates math expressions that because it has a bunch of source data where that sentiment is expressed.

simongray15:05:18

It never executes any code.

simongray15:05:53

Not the LLM part anyway.

grav15:05:48

Yes, LLM is not about executing code, but ChatGPT might not be limited to LLM. I mean there's even plugins and what not.

simongray15:05:45

Perhaps :man-shrugging:

simongray16:05:12

Not sure if they added something for that kind of stuff in the official ChatGPT yet. I think Stephen Wolfram argued quite successfully for integrating it with WolframAlpha since the areas where LLMs are clearly weak are where such fact databases are strong.

seancorfield16:05:30

Microsoft said the next version of Copilot will have a combination of LLM and an actual code analysis/execution engine integrated in, so that it can be more accurate when suggesting code (but I suspect it'll be JS/TS only initially, given the test generation in Copilot is only for JS/TS right now).

lemontea16:05:38

I actually previously asked vicuna v1.0 to do dry-run analysis of an imperative style program code snippet…

lemontea16:05:16

(future AI overlord: I actually support the functional paradigm, don’t torture me for that sin please 🥺)

genRaiy08:05:48

Good morning

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simongray08:05:11

I love the light in this one, Ray.

genRaiy08:05:43

Thanks. I liked it IRL so it's nice to hear it's coming through on the shot.

otfrom08:05:49

my deciduous azalea is coming into bloom

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mccraigmccraig08:05:56

my morning brain read "delicious" instead of "deciduous" and i thought "are you sure?..."

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reefersleep08:05:36

I also thought "How does one season this? Are you supposed to eat it plain?"

otfrom08:05:34

ooh, I didn't know the honey of an azalea could cause you trouble https://www.poison.org/articles/azaleas-and-rhododendrons

reefersleep09:05:32

Dang. Gotta know what your bees are up to.

otfrom10:05:27

Are insects trying to poison you and take over the world? What can we do about this six-legged menace?

mccraigmccraig10:05:54

agent orange. oranges are nice! what could possibly go wrong?

otfrom11:05:12

🔶 ☠️ 🔶

reefersleep08:05:43

Good morning! May your day be free of overzealous security peeps and bureaucratic nonsense.

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reefersleep08:05:03

Mine wasn't. 3 days going strong. To be fair, maybe it's just a series of unfortunate incidents, it's a bit unclear to me. But I currently can't really work because I can't log onto our AWS account, so it's slow going.

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lemontea16:05:14

oh the poor counter…

jasonbell08:05:58

Morning. No flower pics, but here’s the chapel at Red House Estate just outside York. I used to live in the grounds just over twenty years ago, went back to visit a couple of weeks ago while I was visiting my mum. Anyways…. King Charles I visited on his way down before getting executed in 16 something or another.

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otfrom08:05:54

so many good bits of medieval church left in York thx to General Fairfax (so I've been told)

jasonbell08:05:23

Loads from what I remember. This one in Moor Monkton is pretty much untouched, it’s wonderful. Clarissa kept looking around astonished, “You lived here!” 🙂

thomas09:05:24

I just hope you are not going to be executed any time soon.

jasonbell09:05:41

No @U052852ES - I’m not called Charles, I walked away in tact 🙂

thomas09:05:43

Glad to hear that!

dharrigan11:05:47

I remember that whenever I used to live in Yorkshire, and on various trips out into the moors and dales, I would stumble across a really old church and have a look inside. You could clearly see how minimalistic it was inside - mostly all due to the english reformation which struck hard in yorkshire!

otfrom12:05:26

Yeah, everywhere except for York itself

schmalz08:05:45

Morning all.

mdiin09:05:13

Morning!

lread18:05:12

Love is in the air! After 23 years together, m'lady and I decided to get hitched this morning!

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seancorfield19:05:42

Congrats!! 🎉

seancorfield19:05:38

My wife & I just celebrated the 23rd anniversary of our legal wedding (May, 20th -- the only wedding not on December, 22nd... because we've had 5 weddings at this point! 🙂 ).

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simongray07:05:18

seems like a bit of a hasty decision, @UE21H2HHD, did you think it through?

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thomas08:05:50

Gefeliciteerd!!!! 🎉

reefersleep08:05:19

Congratulations!

Ben Sless08:05:41

Congratulations!

lread10:05:28

Thanks for the warm wishes folks! @U4P4NREBY Ha! Ya, our bond to one another is unchanged. As we are getting older, we realized that some institutions in Canada are weird and seemed to prefer that we make it legal. So we did. And it was sweet.

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simongray10:05:04

I understand. I wasn’t planning on getting married AT ALL a few years back, but then we decided to move to China and it just made everything easier. I’m happy for you guys! Even if it’s done for pragmatic reasons it somehow still feels great ❤️

lread11:05:15

@U04V70XH6 > because we've had 5 weddings at this point! I'm assuming you mean to each other! 🙂 You mad romantics!

otfrom11:05:36

yeah, we got "officially" married for administrative purposes (we'd been together for 7 years before that)

seancorfield15:05:05

@UE21H2HHD Yes, we did a handfasting (Dec 22, 1999 - winter solstice) on Glastonbury Tor, then the legal wedding (Reno, NV). Then a big Native American ceremony of union for US friends and family (Oakland, CA - Dec 22, 2000), then a Church of England blessing for UK friends and family (Farnham, Hants - Dec 22, 2001). Then for our 15th anniversary we renewed our vows in a traditional Hawaiian ceremony (Kona, HI - Dec 22, 2014).

seancorfield15:05:14

The "run to Reno" wasn't planned, and was mostly for administrative purposes - we'd originally planned to do that legal paperwork at the ceremony of union.

otfrom16:05:55

Now I'm wondering if you are still married as handfastings are supposed to be re-upped every 12-13 months, or do the Native American or Hawaiian ones last longer?

seancorfield16:05:46

😆 The handfasting was a year-and-a-day which, because 2000 was a leap year, meant the Native American ceremony happened a year and a day later on the same date 🙂 and that one is a "forever" ceremony. When we were organizing the UK ceremony, the minister cautioned us that we couldn't do an actual wedding ceremony as it would "cast doubt" on our previous legal wedding, so that's why that was a "blessing" ceremony instead.

otfrom16:05:36

I'm glad your wedding hasn't fallen out of warranty or something. Weddings are tricky magic

lread15:05:43

@U04V70XH6 my lady finds your multitude of weddings "very romantical". She actually crocheted a handfasting cord for our ceremony (which was also very romantical).

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reefersleep08:05:03

Mine wasn't. 3 days going strong. To be fair, maybe it's just a series of unfortunate incidents, it's a bit unclear to me. But I currently can't really work because I can't log onto our AWS account, so it's slow going.

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