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agigao06:05:40

Good morning folks, I'm back in Clojurians slack ☀️ Missed ya'll 🍻

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simongray06:05:10

man, who knew setting cookies could be so difficult in 2023…? Seems like every time it’s working in one browser, it stops working in another.

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simongray06:05:30

Well, Firefox keeps on trucking, but Chrome and Safari do not quite agree

simongray07:05:17

seems like it was a decoding issue on Chrome, now solved by a very convenient set of CLJC encoder/decoder functions from reitit

simongray07:05:24

now that the Clojure Conj talks are coming online, does anyone recommend any of them in particular. Obviously, I’m gonna watch the one with Rich Hickey (pbuh) when it’s available, but anything else?

seancorfield15:05:17

The one that blew me away most was "Vector Symbolic Architectures", and I also really enjoyed the "Modern ClojureScript with React" talk -- which isn't up yet -- because I didn't know much about Helix etc. I thought Rich's talk was "okay" but a lot of it wasn't "news" -- maybe because I have dealt with enough core Clojure stuff over the years to have seen his process up close several times? I did buy The Socratic Method book he recommended and read the first 200 pages on the flights home so that was definitely a "win" from his talk. Ghadi's talk was good. I liked the XTDB talk too -- enough to write and release next.jdbc.xt during Conj! I'll be honest, I missed probably half the talks through being in the "hallway track" most of the time... so a lot of the YouTube videos will be my first time watching most stuff!

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borkdude15:05:13

I particularly enjoyed @UDRJMEFSN’s talk. Also @U050ECB92’s was very good imo.

borkdude15:05:03

Although Rich's talk doesn't score high in controversial statements etc, it's a good insight in how he (and Cognitect) approach software (and thus OSS) and why it might he hard to collaborate with them on software design as an outsider since there's way more going on than what you can see in a JIRA ticket

Daniel Craig15:05:31

@U017QJZ9M7W’s talk was a must watch

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Daniel Craig15:05:28

And I really enjoyed Unmanned Systems Flight Planning with Clojure by Heow Goodman

borkdude15:05:30

I also enjoyed @U01LR7M2B7A’s talk a lot

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borkdude15:05:35

It was very nice to be able to see the talks (and comments on them) through the stream + discord, as if if I was almost there. Perhaps next year I'll dare to make the flight over the ocean... :-S

seancorfield16:05:36

@U04V15CAJ Yes!!! It would be great to see you over here in person!

borkdude16:05:52

Likewise! :-D

lread17:05:46

I think Rich's talk was good for the Clojure community. It shares a way to work that makes sense for the Clojure core team. They are certainly very smart and thoughtful folks, so worth paying attention to and adopting/adapting what might make sense for you.

lread17:05:37

I enjoyed most other talks I watched. Some great stuff. @U4P4NREBY, maybe schedule to watch 1 a day, if a presentation isn't working for you, you'll know pretty quickly and you can bail.

simongray18:05:57

thanks for the many recommendations everyone!

simongray18:05:59

p.s. interesting how Rich also uses a thesaurus for naming things. I basically open http://Dictionary.app every day to look up stuff in the thesaurus.

Mario Trost07:05:52

The "Vector Symbolic Architectures" surely blew my mind (also slightly went over my head)

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slipset07:05:52

I liked Ghadis talk and also Chris Neurnbergs talk.

slipset07:05:41

I concur with the Vector Symbolic thing. It was like walking into a toolshed with someone showing you some tools without explaining what the tools might be used for 🙂

simongray07:05:29

ok, guess I’m gonna have to watch it 🙂

schmalz07:05:51

Morning all.

genRaiy08:05:28

Good morning. I enjoyed RH’s talk, especially his font choices 😂

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jasonbell08:05:15

Teleconverter arrived yesterday for my X100, 23mm f2 now a 50mm f2. The quality is wonderful.

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thomas08:05:24

No loss in max aperture?

jasonbell09:05:12

Probably a stop, but I shoot manual mode always.

thomas09:05:37

should get nice bokeh

jasonbell09:05:23

Just found a menu option for converter lens. So it’s all taken care of 🙂

jasonbell09:05:40

Will try and test it out on the next trip to the kettle.

thomas09:05:41

👍 looking forward to seeing the results!

jasonbell09:05:24

Oh rather splendid!

thomas09:05:59

nice

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genRaiy11:05:51

is the focus a bit off on the second shot (lavender?)

genRaiy11:05:18

lovely colours on the lefty

jasonbell13:05:47

@U04V5V0V4 The idiot behind the camera wasn’t taking his time 🙂 Yes. But it’s on f2 and me standing for too long is never good.

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jasonbell13:05:18

@U04V5V0V4 the Velvia colour simulation in the X100 is stunning, I tend to leave it there for colour work.

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genRaiy13:05:38

Ha - it's definitely a lush lens

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simongray09:05:26

@slipset @trost.mario Interesting talk. It seems like a more generic application of similar insights as those found in word embeddings/vectors but in the application space. I can see very interesting use cases for a fuzzy database like that.

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seancorfield15:05:17

The one that blew me away most was "Vector Symbolic Architectures", and I also really enjoyed the "Modern ClojureScript with React" talk -- which isn't up yet -- because I didn't know much about Helix etc. I thought Rich's talk was "okay" but a lot of it wasn't "news" -- maybe because I have dealt with enough core Clojure stuff over the years to have seen his process up close several times? I did buy The Socratic Method book he recommended and read the first 200 pages on the flights home so that was definitely a "win" from his talk. Ghadi's talk was good. I liked the XTDB talk too -- enough to write and release next.jdbc.xt during Conj! I'll be honest, I missed probably half the talks through being in the "hallway track" most of the time... so a lot of the YouTube videos will be my first time watching most stuff!

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javahippie19:05:41

Morning!

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seancorfield20:05:53

Anyone here drink Vimto? A new specialty shop opened up nearby selling mostly Eastern European and Middle Eastern food...

borkdude20:05:37

Never heard of it

borkdude20:05:28

I see it originated in Manchester, England

borkdude20:05:42

but soon it became popular in the middle east

seancorfield20:05:46

This bottle is from Spain but has English, French, and Arabic writing on it. I used to drink it a lot as a kid and haven't seen it anywhere for years...

dharrigan21:05:24

I drink litres of the stuff

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dharrigan21:05:31

I have vimto basically on tap

dharrigan21:05:02

I studied at UMIST in Manchester, on the same site that Vimto was first brewed. They have a lovely sculpture of it outside the main building.

seancorfield21:05:44

OMG! That's awesome!!

simongray06:05:45

sounds really yummy > It contains the juice of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackcurrant (at a 3% concentration), flavoured with herbs and spices.

borkdude08:05:31

We do have a soda in The Netherlands called "cassis" made from black berries https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassis_(drank) I might be mistaking but I haven't seen it in other countries that much

borkdude08:05:14

So next time you're in The Netherlands, try it ;)

otfrom08:05:37

Blackberry (brambles, or bramble berries) are different https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry

borkdude08:05:47

ok, cassis is made from blackcurrant

borkdude08:05:16

but in Dutch we call them "black berries", "zwarte bessen"

borkdude08:05:18

In Dutch "blackberry" is called "braam"

jasonbell10:05:26

The only thing I know about Vimto, it’s an anagram of Vomit.

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otfrom10:05:17

I'm sorry @U0K1RLM99, you have to return your Yorkshire passport now and will no longer be allowed in God's Own County

jasonbell10:05:29

How will I get past the border next week?

otfrom10:05:23

you should have thought about that before promulgating heresy

jasonbell10:05:19

1. Google’s promulgating 2. I obviously didn’t think it through. 3. Ah well.

seancorfield17:05:13

@U04V15CAJ So blackberries are brambles -- which is what some Brits called the bushes they grow on. Interesting linguistic association. @U4P4NREBY This Vimto has no grapes -- it has black carrot and hibiscus instead -- but it does have raspberries and blackcurrants. @U0525KG62 I hadn't made the association before you posted that Wikipedia link: blackcurrants -- ribes nigrum -- and Ribena, which is also a drink I loved as a kid!

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