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RAMart05:09:37

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Ben Sless06:09:55

Good morning

dharrigan06:09:07

Good Morning!

reefersleep07:09:40

Good morning 🙂

teodorlu08:09:52

Good morning!

maleghast09:09:26

Madainn mhath!

otfrom10:09:46

<sarcasm>omg, why do all you weirdos say good morning everyday? Isn't it terribly off topic?</sarcasm>

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otfrom10:09:55

oh, and Good Morning ☀️

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robert-stuttaford12:09:56

(send! @otfrom (repeatedly (constantly :hug)))

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lread12:09:14

Good morning!

genRaiy14:09:47

good morning

genRaiy14:09:26

does anyone else .... not .... pretty much ever ... read hacker news?

thomas14:09:22

I confess to reading HN, guilty as charged.

javahippie14:09:04

I think the topics are sometimes interesting, but I can’t help reading the comments, and they are too toxic, so I avoid the whole site

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robert-stuttaford14:09:59

i don't read it. the last valuable thing i got was when Chas Emerick's Clojure book listed in 2012 😉

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reefersleep14:09:09

I’m trying to wean myself off of it. There’s some incredibly interesting stuff at times, though

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genRaiy14:09:05

@U052852ES you are forgiven. Your penance is 10 hail mary's and 3 updates to any YAML configuration you can find lying around.

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thomas14:09:17

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing::rolling_on_the_floor_laughing::rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

robert-stuttaford14:09:30

that's pretty harsh. 3 YAML configuration updates. jeez!

genRaiy14:09:29

it's a terrible sin 😆

otfrom14:09:03

I don't read the comments (unless someone I trust points me to one that is actually good), but I have followed links through there. I put reddit in the same bucket, tho I have been seeing good emacs things on reddit recently. I'm not going to live there like I do here though.

Ben Sless15:09:51

I'm just subscribed to the feed and click on interesting headlines, never read the comments

Daniel Craig15:09:47

I've recently quit hacker news

lemontea15:09:43

I only open it rarely, but whenever I do, I find myself unable to resist the temptation to read most of the 30 threads on 1st page…

lemontea15:09:55

… as for the comments, I oscillate between feeling those are really smart people, and feeling like they are elites disconnected with “average software development”

lemontea15:09:37

maybe what I am looking for is a combo of “smart, empathetic, grounded, and with a creative vision of the future”

Daniel Craig15:09:35

Yeah the comments are absorbing but often lack humanity… I am disturbed by the enthusiasm for stable diffusion that I saw there as well

Daniel Craig16:09:05

Stable diffusion is the product of theft and villainy

lemontea16:09:37

oh what’s with the stable diffusion? I’m too busy and am totally out of the loop for this one (haven’t even read any technical paper/news/blog/repo at all). The only thing I know is it is some new AI algorithm (?) that makes it possible to create realistic pictures with a prompt

Daniel Craig16:09:44

it's training set was gathered with no regard for copyright and it has no safeguards, i.e. it can produce explicit sexual (or worse) images

Daniel Craig16:09:12

without being too specific

lemontea16:09:03

oh…………

slipset14:09:17

What’s hacker news?

lread14:09:36

Not sure… think it might be something like slashdot

slipset14:09:37

In other news, I’ve totally fallen off twitter.

thomas14:09:21

I stopped following twitter years ago, felt really good not looking at it anymore. Too much !@#

seancorfield17:09:36

I deleted my Twitter and Facebook accounts in early November 2021 after a decade or so on both. But I found it inconvenient to be without that social connection with certain friends (whose emails I did not have -- and I only realized that after deleting social media!). So I eventually (in April 2022) created new accounts and reconnected with the folks I wanted to. I went from following thousands of Twitter accounts and hundreds of Facebook friends (and have many thousands of followers on Twitter), to just a hundred on Twitter and a few dozen on Facebook. And I've taken both apps off my phone home screen and turned off their notifications, so now I only go on those sites when I feel like it -- once every few days -- instead of feeling like I obsessively needed to check them both several times a day.

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seancorfield17:09:04

I was on vacation in England in March when it really dawned on me how much I'd relied on Facebook/Messenger to organize my social life -- and ended up needing my partner to organize everything with my friends while we were there 😐

lemontea17:09:02

paradoxically they can enter the competition on the category “technology causing the most social harm”…

lemontea17:09:55

intermittent rewards, addictive potential, social comparison, echo chamber, negativity and polarization, the list goes on and on

lemontea17:09:57

it’s basically a giant psychological manipulation lab to combinatorially tries out every dark aspect of the human psyche one by one

seancorfield17:09:07

Yeah, from my p.o.v. the good they do -- and they do provide value -- is massively outweighed by the negatives.

lemontea17:09:00

maybe once we’ve weaned off dependency, do some soul searching on why we’d stomped so low without realising it… (edit: arrrr it’s so hot here that my brain’s operating in reduced capacity hence the vocab loss) (note to self: it’s “rein in” - to limit or control)

lemontea17:09:16

being social is one of the basic human needs, but if we are not aware/have blindspot, this powerful motivational force can be abused by tech to subtly change our behavior

seancorfield17:09:22

Unfortunately, an awful lot of people do not have that level of self-awareness in the first place...

lemontea17:09:05

… which makes said manipulation more insidious (who do they think they are? God?)

lemontea17:09:18

on a note, getting off social media is one thing - gotta replace it with something else that’s more positive/wholesome

lemontea17:09:34

(not the blind optimism “positivity” though)

genRaiy17:09:14

I agree it would be nice to have social network without the :poop:. Obvious options: regulate as a public utility, natioanlize if that fails.

mccraigmccraig19:09:41

i find facebook massively improved by deleting all fb apps and only accessing it via the web, blocking any notifications and never but never going anywhere near fb.messenger ... it becomes a pull system i can dip into when i feel like it, and mostly just allows me to maintain the long tail of my social graph

borkdude19:09:40

I found a chrome extension which blocks the endless scroll page with new messages on FB. Since I installed that, I forgot Facebook for weeks on end, but since I also manage a few groups there, I have to visit sometimes

slipset14:09:52

Clojurians is my only source of professional SoMe

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borkdude14:09:43

What is SoMe?

borkdude14:09:53

Social Media?

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borkdude14:09:02

I've never seen it abbreviated like that

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robert-stuttaford14:09:44

i'm on Twitter to retweet @borkdude and to give @raymcdermott stuff to disagree with

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genRaiy14:09:10

@robert-stuttaford you are not alone

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javahippie14:09:11

I have a very calm and wholesome comfy-feelgood-bubble on Twitter, like the eye of the shitstorm. It’s nice there, as long as I don’t step outside

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lemontea17:09:09

I rely on a selection of relaxing and healing music (introversion) + interacting with real world friends on private comm channel (extroversion)

lread14:09:55

I’m barely on twitter, sometimes lurk on reddit.

lemontea15:09:26

more good morning~

Mateusz Mazurczak17:09:54

On the other hand, I hate small talks like this. I don't really get what's the reason to exchange generic sayings

borkdude17:09:36

Sup falls into that category, right? :-)

seancorfield17:09:36

I deleted my Twitter and Facebook accounts in early November 2021 after a decade or so on both. But I found it inconvenient to be without that social connection with certain friends (whose emails I did not have -- and I only realized that after deleting social media!). So I eventually (in April 2022) created new accounts and reconnected with the folks I wanted to. I went from following thousands of Twitter accounts and hundreds of Facebook friends (and have many thousands of followers on Twitter), to just a hundred on Twitter and a few dozen on Facebook. And I've taken both apps off my phone home screen and turned off their notifications, so now I only go on those sites when I feel like it -- once every few days -- instead of feeling like I obsessively needed to check them both several times a day.

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