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lread13:09:23

Good morning!

borkdude13:09:35

Pretty good. How about you?

lread13:09:31

Very good! Snacking on muffins my Sweetheart made me while doing a crossword puzzle.

dominicm13:09:46

Very good. Just doing some computing - I have decided to switch to another laptop with an ssd in. Waiting 3 minutes for firefox to start on my (very aged) lenovo got too much.

dominicm13:09:09

@lee That sounds like an ideal saturday afternoon

borkdude13:09:16

Nice! Curious which one you will buy. Are you considering a non-Intel one?

dominicm13:09:16

Or morning as it were!

dominicm13:09:30

oops. I already had a dell xps sitting about 🙂

dominicm13:09:49

That's less-old.

lread13:09:04

Ah, I remember you working on an older laptop...

borkdude13:09:12

I saw this frame laptop stuff recently, it looked pretty interesting

reefersleep10:09:11

I thought that looked interesting, too!

dominicm13:09:41

Yeah, I'm hoping to hold out if they can live up to the hype.

borkdude13:09:46

I have upgraded my own laptop/computers every two years or so. I'm at my 4th or 5th new purchase in this job because of increasing RAM usage :/

dominicm13:09:03

Part of me wants to grab a pinebook, but I know I'm just going to suffer for it.

lread13:09:21

In my self-imposed frugal existence, I'm gonna try to hold out on upgrading for as long as I can.

borkdude13:09:02

I'm going to try to wait until I see what Apple (yeah I know, I suck?) comes up next

lread13:09:32

But when I do upgrade, something upgradable/repairable sounds enticing!

borkdude13:09:47

I actually use two laptops side by side: one Macbook Pro (work, bigger screen, more power) and one Macbook Air (mostly for travel and TV watching at night)

borkdude13:09:01

I've written down a few candidate non-Macbook laptops over time

borkdude13:09:00

Lenovo T15 (configurable up to 128GB!)

lread13:09:08

I'm currently on Apple devices too. Share a 2009 MacBook Pro with my lady and use a 2013 iMac for dev. The iMac is still quite peppy.

dominicm13:09:53

The device I'm using right now was released 2012, I got it second hand ~6 years ago. So some age in that span. I could probably breathe new life into it with an £100 ssd, but that seems silly when I have the xps to hand I can just update.

dominicm13:09:04

I've been using a mac recently 🙈 as they're the standard at work. I'm not impressed, Linux is much better. The audio is far superior on Linux.

borkdude13:09:06

Tuxedo also seems interesting, although I've heard from one guy who bought one of their models that it was very noisy

dominicm13:09:26

The common response to vendors like Tuxedo, "it's just a rebranded clevo, so buy one of those". I was surprised when the US Clevo reseller (I'm forgetting the name right now) did a blog post about how much input they end up having on the design and how that impacts the final product. Really interesting stuff.

borkdude13:09:17

Seems like an interesting "dealer" to me too

lread13:09:19

@dominicm as a Linux guy do you have a favourite distro?

dominicm14:09:40

@lee I do. I'm in love with https://voidlinux.org/. It's served me well for a long time now. ~4 or 5 years. I moved to it from Arch and had been using that for >5 years. It's very similar to arch in terms of rolling release, etc. But one big difference is that systemd isn't part of the standard image, which after a series of bad experiences finding bugs in systemd, questions over its security, etc. I decided I wanted to be relinquished of.

dominicm14:09:57

I should actually say, systemd isn't available at all 😄

lread14:09:08

Thanks, good to know. I use Linux Mint in a VM for random Linux testing. I kind of chose it at random.

dominicm14:09:33

https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5umefi/system76_refreshes_ubuntu_linux_laptops_with/ddvcx45/ maybe it wasn't a blog post 🙂. I'm not sure how much of this Tuxedo do, but it's interesting to think about.

borkdude14:09:57

@dominicm what does it use instead of system.d?

dominicm14:09:57

@lee for VM testing, pretty much anything that can install what you want is going to be good. My negative experience with the ubuntu systems is that I want the latest version, but ubuntu is backporting security fixes to the old version and I need to switch to the next LTS, and blah blah blah. Rolling releases (no major OS upgrades) are the best. I massively regret putting my home server on an ubuntu host as it's now stuck because I'm not brave enough to do the LTS upgrade.

borkdude14:09:41

I've been using Ubuntu in WSL for a bunch, it's working well, but I don't have high demands: java stuff should work, graalvm should work, that's about it ;)

dominicm14:09:52

@borkdude Instead of systemd-init it uses http://smarden.org/runit/.

borkdude14:09:53

and of course bash/babashka

dominicm14:09:03

I'm definitely in that category of "wait, what does that pipeline of commands do?!"

dominicm14:09:42

I wrote a whole statusbar system for X using bash & https://github.com/LemonBoy/bar because it seemed a fun programming challenge / I gained a lot of control over what information I was constantly bombarded with.

lread14:09:40

Cool! Wait I thought you were SevereOverfl0w on GitHub are you also (gasp!) LemonBoy?

dominicm14:09:33

No, no 😄. I just used it for my status bar. I could only aspire to be LemonBoy! He's awesome.

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dominicm15:09:35

Hello from xps!

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