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dominicm08:06:12

Morning 🙂

borkdude08:06:04

@otfrom is this the Clojure equivalent of “finally got my sound card working on linux”? :satisfied:

otfrom08:06:15

If I buy Linux hardware the way I buy Mac hardware then I don't have that problem.

borkdude08:06:31

What way is that?

otfrom08:06:51

I just check that things are compatible

dominicm08:06:14

I can't remember the last time I had hardware problems with Linux tbh, seems like a thing of the past.

borkdude08:06:57

I had a video card issue but it works beautifully in WSL2 👿

dominicm08:06:29

Oh that's true, Nvidia+video cards is a bit balls. I do buy AMD because of that.

borkdude08:06:05

Eventually I got it working though

pez09:06:09

Morning!

otfrom09:06:57

I look at the pain my wife goes through on her work Windows machine and count my lucky stars

borkdude09:06:27

what would be a nice, relatively light, linux compatible and very performant laptop with 64gb of memory in 2021? I'm waiting for the new 16" macbook pros + m1(x) processors to appear, but I'm keeping an eye on alternatives too. not buying right now, just looking.

dominicm09:06:06

64gb of memory? What are you doing? Running slack and spotify?!

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otfrom09:06:35

What size?

borkdude09:06:06

I've upgraded laptops 3 times in the last 4 years for work, because one component is very memory hungry. Also GraalVM is faster if you give it more memory.

otfrom09:06:21

I've been finding recent Macs developer antagonistic lately

dominicm09:06:17

Dell XPS 15 is what comes to mind @borkdude. I don't think they ship with Linux, but I've known many people use them happily with Linux.

dominicm09:06:39

Have you considered buying a desktop? 😄

borkdude09:06:49

I have a desktop with 128GB and Ryzen processor

borkdude09:06:10

but I find myself working on my laptop more just because I like to sit around the house in different spots

solf09:06:12

ThinkPad is always my go to for Linux laptop. They get worse over time, but the keyboard is still the best

borkdude09:06:05

I do use the desktop for heavy duty work in the background

dominicm09:06:15

@borkdude that was my next suggestion 😄

borkdude09:06:50

I've tried all kinds of "remote REPL" stuff, RDP, etc, but there's just always that network in the middle

borkdude09:06:00

which doesn't make it as convenient as working directly on the machine

dominicm09:06:13

Is the RDP latency that bad? Or some other problem?

borkdude09:06:36

it's doable

borkdude09:06:31

but it's just more convenient to have everything on the same machine. e.g also when traveling

borkdude09:06:00

(what's traveling again btw?)

borkdude09:06:05

I'm getting my second jab today...

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borkdude09:06:20

last time I almost passed out, hopefully it's better today ;)

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otfrom09:06:27

Dell precision 7550 can come with Ubuntu pre installed and does 64gb

otfrom09:06:06

And is 15"

borkdude09:06:33

@otfrom wow it even has 96gb mem

dominicm09:06:44

@borkdude Yeah if you travel a lot then I get it 🙂

otfrom09:06:32

All the gbs

dominicm10:06:43

You can always just use http://downloadmoreram.com ofc

pez10:06:05

Anyone know of a way to syntax highlight code to SVG? I can only find very cumbersome ways to do it.

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pez12:06:56

This was cumbersome to do the manual way, I tell ya.

RAMart10:06:32

Next :clojureD 2021 talk by Nicole Rauch now online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ulbfjwh45Y

RAMart10:06:45

This is also the last :clojureD 2021 talk that @martinklepsch has hosted and I would like to take the opportunity to thank you, Martin, for all your work and support for the conference for so many years! 💝 I roll in the dust before you, screaming "Thank you so much!" while raising glasses. 🍻 (All at the same time and leaving quit a mess, but I'll clean that up later.)

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borkdude10:06:26

Funny enough the precision, with similar memory, ssd and CPU config, is almost equally expensive to the Macbook Pro 2019 I bought, which has similar specs but a much better screen and trackpad (admitted, the keyboard sucks, but it hasn't given me any problems so far)

RAMart10:06:52

> the keyboard sucks "You're holding it wrong!" 😂

borkdude10:06:58

I mean the mac 2019 keyboard

mpenet11:06:17

It's super heavy tho

mpenet11:06:25

And quite large

mpenet11:06:33

My wife has a 16inch mbp, we hate having to carry that monster when traveling

mpenet11:06:50

The power adapter is also heavy

borkdude11:06:26

which one is super heavy? I don't have the 16", I have the 15" 2019, with the still sucky keyboard. it's 1.85kg

mpenet11:06:07

I9 16inch, it's over 2kg i think

borkdude11:06:08

yeah for traveling I usually take a macbook air (1.35kg)

borkdude11:06:18

yeah that one is 2.05kg or so

mpenet11:06:44

My xps is 1.2 with a tiny adapter that i can also use for everything else (phone headphones etc)

borkdude11:06:21

16gb mem or so?

mpenet11:06:44

It's not the most recent

mpenet11:06:52

I think 2019

borkdude11:06:57

that's about what I'm getting with the new macbook air too with super battery performance... it's quite attractive for traveling...

borkdude11:06:13

but probably more expensive too

mpenet11:06:44

Yeah same, I don't think I ever ran out of battery after a full day's work on battery

borkdude11:06:04

oh really, that sounds good

borkdude11:06:19

(are you still talking about the xps 13?)

mpenet11:06:32

I have the fhd non touch version as a personal laptop, it's even better on this one

mpenet11:06:22

But the screen is not as good as the work machine, but it's semi-mate

mpenet11:06:46

Anyway, it's all about trade offs

mpenet11:06:05

My wifes mbp screen is gorgeous

mpenet11:06:29

I think if cpu/ram becomes a bottleneck you might as well offload that to a vm somewhere

borkdude11:06:23

yeah, I have a huge desktop computer for the heavy work

mpenet11:06:59

Similar, I can spin a monster vm with up to 225GB of ram for free'ish potentially. Never had to do it

borkdude11:06:44

because you're at exoscale right

mpenet11:06:34

I would love to dumb down even more the Client (laptop) and run everything on the cloud really. Even if I wasn't workin for exo. That's somewhat imaginable with the phones/connectivity we have now

mpenet11:06:54

The only downside would be in planes, but I hate working in planes.

borkdude11:06:47

Oh I just noticed I could get 1000 euros of the Precision machine by selecting a lesser video card. I'm not playing games on this thing anyway

borkdude11:06:37

@U050SC7SV well, I have tried such a setup with the huge desktop I have while working remotely on it from coffee bars, etc on my laptop

borkdude11:06:50

it works, but it's not perfect

borkdude11:06:14

I mean, there's always a certain delay no matter what

mpenet11:06:41

For some things it's ok. I d be ok with a delay on my repl, but not on general editing responsiveness

borkdude11:06:34

@U050SC7SV btw, if you're interested, you could try: https://twitter.com/joel_kuiper/status/1407097109539663874 :) but exoscale is probably a better deal for you

agigao19:06:40

Upgraded from 15" clunky keyboard MBP to 13" M1 and Apple has really solved some serious issues. Well keyboard, it feels good to write on a laptop again. 😄 Battery life is quite good as well, after 8 hours of work it’s usually 40%. Haven’t experienced any issues I thought I’d have, considering M1 is ARM. One thing I still haven’t got used to after 9 years of 15" MBPs is 13.3 inch screen, it’s damn small : ( but carrying the laptop around is much more convenient. M1 has HiDPI scaling issues w/2k displays. In the countryside house, I have 2K dell and had to deal with this issue. @reefersleep since 2018 I’ve been moving back and forth between city apartment and the country house (1800m altitude, Caucasian mountains, the Khada Valley). I can say I’m feeling much better in the country, physically and psychologically. Especially in Summer when Tbilisi is hit by 35+ C, but in Winter we get 2+ meters of snow and 7 km long road is yet to be built in a contemporary fashion. I use 4x4 SUV w/good ground clearance to move around. Major upsides of the country - fresh air, no noise, natural spring water, beautiful habitat, mountains around… Downsides: the closest grocery store/pharmacy is about 30-40 kms away. Restaurants/cafes are about 40-50%, in some cases 100-150% more expensive in a nearby towns/resorts, aimed at tourists. I drive to the city twice a month to groceries. We basically need to bake a bread, cook everyday etc. And people… it’s a different kind of relationship among locals compared to the city, close and unconditional. Sometimes it might get in the way of work to have guests during the day, but it’s still manageable.

reefersleep11:06:43

@U2HBNQQBE I doubt I could even live as remote as you do in Denmark! My “in the country” vision is much more lightweight than what you’re experiencing.

reefersleep11:06:05

I imagine being 1 km 🙏 from the nearest neighbour or something like that. Could be closer, too. The important bit is being free from other humans’ noise, and being able to be as noisy as we want ourselves (the latter being less important 🙂, but still)

reefersleep11:06:13

Green surroundings would be great, too.

reefersleep11:06:56

Apart from actually finding a suitable place, I imagine our lack of handyness being the biggest obstacle. We’re both keyboard jockeys, not wrench wranglers.

borkdude12:06:17

same here :)

reefersleep12:06:33

You want to move out, too?

borkdude12:06:47

no I mean, I'm not a handyman, more a computer man ;)

reefersleep12:06:15

@U2HBNQQBE sounds like it’s really good for you, even with the challenges accounted for 🙂

reefersleep12:06:00

@borkdude how about the wife? We both regret not having learned more handy stuff yet, and not having partnered up with a practical person 😅

borkdude12:06:54

hehe. well, if I really must I can do some stuff, but I'd rather let it handle by someone professional if it has to look good

borkdude12:06:12

we live an apartment and have very little to care about, luckily

borkdude12:06:25

but naturally you don't get the benefits from a garden, etc

borkdude12:06:32

we just go into the city's park or sit on some terrace if it's sunny outside (like today)

borkdude12:06:48

so we have a free garden experience without the actual work of it :P

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reefersleep12:06:52

I got tired of living in apartments some years ago, actually, but we didn’t get around to moving to a house before this year.

borkdude12:06:48

we stayed in my parent's house while they were on vacation last year for a week

borkdude12:06:03

I continually lost where I kept my stuff because the house was so big (much bigger than our apartment)

reefersleep12:06:05

It’s weird how preferences change. I mean, it’s logical, from how your experiences impact you, but going through the change yourself is kind of odd. My parents live 2km from the nearest neighbour and 5 km from the center of the shitty town where I went to school. I thought it sucked back then, but now I’m kind of envious.

borkdude12:06:46

yeah, when I was 18 I was glad I could leave the shitty town of my parents and to be honest, didn't look back ever since

reefersleep12:06:52

We just visited them yesterday, and they have huge forests, fields and lots of trees in their gigantic garden, all surrounding them.

borkdude12:06:03

whenever I'm back there I wonder: how could I have lived here for so long, it's such a boring town

reefersleep12:06:11

When I used to work in the supermarket in the shitty town, I sometimes talked to a talkative, cool guy. And once, he said “I bet you’re wondering why I moved here.” I can’t remember what he answered, but I’m still wondering. Whyyyyyyy would you move there.

reefersleep12:06:04

Still, I’m aiming to move to a house outside of what I expect to be an equally shitty place. I mean, I’d love for it to be better, but odds are it’ll be small and boring, that kind of comes with the distance and quiet that I’m aiming for.

reefersleep18:06:17

Footie’s on here. The Danes are going up or something. I don’t mind or care, except people are being loud about it 😞 Looking forward to move to the country eventually.

reefersleep18:06:02

Any country dwellers here? How are you finding it?

gklijs18:06:44

About the laptop thing. I'm working for a consulting company, if wfh stays as normal as it is, might opt for 'company desktops', you could build a really nice one for 3000 euro (roughly the price of MacBook pros). But if you occasionally do need to visit clients it's becomes a problem through.

borkdude19:06:04

just buy an extra macbook air 16gb for client visits?

agigao19:06:40

Upgraded from 15" clunky keyboard MBP to 13" M1 and Apple has really solved some serious issues. Well keyboard, it feels good to write on a laptop again. 😄 Battery life is quite good as well, after 8 hours of work it’s usually 40%. Haven’t experienced any issues I thought I’d have, considering M1 is ARM. One thing I still haven’t got used to after 9 years of 15" MBPs is 13.3 inch screen, it’s damn small : ( but carrying the laptop around is much more convenient. M1 has HiDPI scaling issues w/2k displays. In the countryside house, I have 2K dell and had to deal with this issue. @reefersleep since 2018 I’ve been moving back and forth between city apartment and the country house (1800m altitude, Caucasian mountains, the Khada Valley). I can say I’m feeling much better in the country, physically and psychologically. Especially in Summer when Tbilisi is hit by 35+ C, but in Winter we get 2+ meters of snow and 7 km long road is yet to be built in a contemporary fashion. I use 4x4 SUV w/good ground clearance to move around. Major upsides of the country - fresh air, no noise, natural spring water, beautiful habitat, mountains around… Downsides: the closest grocery store/pharmacy is about 30-40 kms away. Restaurants/cafes are about 40-50%, in some cases 100-150% more expensive in a nearby towns/resorts, aimed at tourists. I drive to the city twice a month to groceries. We basically need to bake a bread, cook everyday etc. And people… it’s a different kind of relationship among locals compared to the city, close and unconditional. Sometimes it might get in the way of work to have guests during the day, but it’s still manageable.