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slipset04:01:29

Morning! Surf’s up! :man-surfing:

dharrigan05:01:33

Early mornings, ugh.

dharrigan05:01:40

Good morning!

orestis08:01:36

Morning! I got soaked on the way to the nursery but a warm tea at home makes up for it 🙂

ordnungswidrig08:01:27

Good friday morning!

ordnungswidrig08:01:42

@orestis what kind of tea if I may ask?

orestis08:01:40

Yogi green tea ginger & lemon.

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plexus13:01:01

Morning! Warm enough in Berlin to go out for a run! Feels good to keep a little active this winter.

orestis14:01:35

I had a nice 1:30h walk yesterday, it was nice to see a little bit of sun again

otfrom14:01:25

no bad weather. only wrong clothing

otfrom14:01:48

but then I did get wet up to my knees while cycling and then kept cycling for a few hours in -1C

otfrom14:01:12

it was fine until I got a headwind and then I noticed how not windproof my shoes were

orestis15:01:14

My wife bought me some nice chocolates from the UK and now we have to pay 160kr to PostNord to import them into Denmark 😞

simongray15:01:40

Thanks Obama Brexit

orestis16:01:51

And thanks PostNord for charging an obscene amount.

simongray17:01:00

That would be Toldvæsenet, though, wouldn’t it? Post Nord doesn’t levy taxes. I’ve had that stupid high duty or duty handling fee or whatever is on some imports from the US too.

orestis17:01:32

As far as I understood the letter (my Danish isn’t there yet) PostNord charges you a fee, but it’s not clear how much of that they pass on to the tolls...

simongray19:01:01

Usually what happens is that it gets stuck in Told and the delivery is put on hold until you pay the fee. I don’t think Post Nord are allowed to charge you extra, so I assume all of it goes towards paying the fee.

slipset21:01:52

In Norway PostNord does the interaction with the customs for you, and for that service they charge a fee. So it’s duty + fee. Which sucks for cheap items.

mpenet16:01:19

they never fail to disappoint

Ben Hammond16:01:36

what did you get?

Ben Hammond16:01:01

what kind of chocs are worth exporting from the UK

Ben Hammond16:01:20

and still think fondly of https://www.spruengli.ch/ from our time in Zuerich

Ben Hammond16:01:14

but I dont suppose I will importing any Spruengli any time soon

Ben Hammond16:01:28

the heavy price of Taking Back Control

simongray16:01:15

Regular ol’ Flake is great.

Ben Hammond17:01:35

do you think Kraft have altered the Cadbury's recipes for the worse?

simongray17:01:21

No idea, I haven’t really been following that development 🙂

dharrigan17:01:38

I would say, if you are old enough, yes, if you are young enough, no.

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simongray17:01:02

Remind me to never again enter into a discussion with the Rust crowd on Hacker News. What a vicious bunch of downvoters.

Ben Hammond17:01:15

you cannot get Rust without corrosiveness

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simongray17:01:25

I don’t even know how you downvote on Hackers News, I just get an upvote button and nothing else…

orestis17:01:05

I got this https://www.the-chocolatier.co.uk/ - it was really well made but not enough to try to import from outside the EU :(

mpenet17:01:33

Ovomaltine dark!

mpenet17:01:41

I have a stash I restock regularly when I go back in Switzerland. But I am sure you can find it online for cheap, it's nothing fancy but it's really good

borkdude18:01:22

@simongray what was the topic?

simongray19:01:47

Yes that’s the one. Not too bad now, but most of the comments I made instantly made it to -2 or -3 only to resurface in the positive numbers a bit later. I don’t usually find the comment section on HN that downvote-crazy.

simongray19:01:39

Every online community eventually turns into Twitter

javahippie19:01:03

Isn’t Reddit even worse?

javahippie20:01:00

sbd, posted a post from my blog there this week, and it got downvoted in the negatives on /r/programming, because it was about Oracle DB, which was too sacrilegious

simongray20:01:35

they’re different flavours of bad

simongray20:01:38

and /r/programming is a terrible subreddit

javahippie20:01:28

I think the “bad” flows into all subreddits after some time

simongray20:01:38

yeah, you’re probably right

simongray20:01:16

but /r/programming is just incredibly bad at providing any interesting content

javahippie20:01:03

Aren’t the top posts mostly identical to HN?

simongray20:01:48

maybe the top 3 posts of hacker news have reruns on /r/programming the next day, but most of whats on /r/programming is shitty blogspam

simongray20:01:18

it’s quite incredible how little interesting content surfaces there given it has (checks reddit) more than 3 million subscribers

javahippie20:01:00

Could be related to the algorithm, it’s really intransparent what floats to the top.

dharrigan20:01:24

I mostly just look at NH, /r/programming and of course /r/clojure

dharrigan20:01:52

old reddit, not that new fangled version that is an abomination.

simongray20:01:44

I check HN and /r/clojure (old reddit too, of course), but these days most of the interesting discussions take place here on Clojurians Slack, which kinda sucks since its so ephemeral.

borkdude20:01:16

Life is ephemeral

borkdude20:01:20

I'm glad a place like this exists, makes a great coffee corner substitute.

simongray20:01:00

That’s so China

simongray20:01:11

…and RIP Flash. I learned to how program with Flash 5.

dharrigan20:01:24

One of my first gigs, many many moons ago was putting together the very first website for Alton Towers (a large Amusement Park in the UK - very popular). That was all done in the first versions of Flash.

borkdude20:01:23

I always managed to avoid Flash, also PHP/MySQL mostly

borkdude20:01:03

Right now I'm trying to avoid Kubernetes and microservices

simongray20:01:38

Flash was so intuitive to use. I used it to make cartoons in Flash 3 when I was a little kid and then when Flash 5 came out my brother taught me basic ActionScript so that I could make little games too. I must have been 11 or 12 years old. It's too bad what happened with Flash. Despite its limitations, it really an awesome development environment.

simongray20:01:10

Its reputation is undeserved IMO.

simongray20:01:36

@borkdude also trying to avoid k8s. Luckily I don't work do anything that requires more than a single server at a time.

simongray20:01:26

How did you manage to avoid PHP?

borkdude20:01:29

I was a student, many people around me used it at that time (starting little companies to make websites for car companies, etc), but I just wasn't interested enough that I tried it.

borkdude20:01:45

And after that I never had a boss who forced me to use it

borkdude20:01:42

Ironically I recently deployed my first PHP, to create a clj-kondo playground. https://clj-kondo.michielborkent.nl/ The php source is here: https://github.com/borkdude/clj-kondo.web/blob/master/resources/public/server.php So maybe in a decade or so I will have used my first k8s

simongray21:01:28

That's so backwards. 😆 I think PHP was fine for its time. It was open source unlike ASP, had a big standard library and it embedded into HTML code unlike Perl. And basically every cheap web host let you use PHP at the time I learned it. I don't really understand why people want to use it nowadays though. Why didn't you just go with Clojure?

borkdude21:01:11

Because this way I could just hook it up to nginx and the clj-kondo binary

borkdude21:01:22

I use it as a minimal bit of glue

borkdude21:01:35

and I couldn't find an easier way to glue nginx and a binary outputting some text together

borkdude21:01:40

and I'm parsing the raw text output there ;P

javahippie21:01:23

Heh, I started my life as a professional dev with PHP. The company I started at used mainly COBOL and ILE/RPG, and my trainer there was not comfortable with me learning in 2008 and knowing nothing about OOP. Luckily they introduced Java 2 years later

borkdude21:01:12

COBOL, cool

javahippie22:01:15

Not when you are 18 😄